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#1 Nov 30 2011 at 2:56 AM Rating: Good
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In the immediate future we are going to get higher resolution text fonts and you will be able to set UI and Overlay resolution independently. In addition certain window backgrounds will be replaced or improved.

In the long term Tanaka says that the current UI code is too restrictive and that they are looking at completely replacing it.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/9854-High-res-font-yay-Now-how-about-the-title-screen?p=232595&viewfull=1#post232595

In other news, **** froze over yesterday.



Edited, Nov 30th 2011 7:58pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#2 Dec 01 2011 at 1:40 AM Rating: Good
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First, there is no sarcasm at all in this, so turn off the detectors now, I am very happy about the love that XI's getting!

I am however amazed they're spending all this time and effort on some aspects of the game, the UI in particular. Given that anyone who's played it for more that a few months has come to at the least accept the 'legacy' nature of the UI and mechanics surrounding it .. personally I came to really like it .. I wonder what SE's motivation is for 'updating' it to something more modern.

It's one thing for them to do all the content changes and new game systems and their continued work on more end-game stuff, that I can see is something that readily translates into retained or even new players and more Yen into the coffers (which are under great strain from FFXIV I presume) but something like a re-worked UI and graphics rendering would, to me, seem to be far more difficult to see on a balance sheet.

Yes, improved presentation will help to attract new players I assume, but I really do wonder what sort of numbers of gamers who haven't played XI by now will ever take a look at a game approaching its 10-year birthday, in comparison to bright young things such as SW:TOR, maybe GW2, Rift or slightly older ones like LOTRO, and even the 800lb gorilla from Blizzard.

I have to say that all this new energy they have been throwing at XI for the last many months makes me really sad they didn't adopt this new 'open' and 'player friendly' approach many years ago: seems the train-wreck of XIV was needed to wake them and realise their original "STFU and love what we give you" approach to player concerns was counter-productive and probably lost a good number of players for good.
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Given that anyone who's played it for more that a few months has come to at the least accept the 'legacy' nature of the UI and mechanics surrounding it

Are you kidding? This is entirely why Tanaka changes anything! Accepting and liking things is unacceptable to him!
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I don't know if I am more surprised SE is looking at this change, or that Lobi has actually been rated up.
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I don't know if I am more surprised SE is looking at this change, or that Lobi has actually been rated up.

I am doing the best I can to Tanaka this situation.
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Lobivopis wrote:
In the immediate future we are going to get higher resolution text fonts and you will be able to set UI and Overlay resolution independently. In addition certain window backgrounds will be replaced or improved.

In the long term Tanaka says that the current UI code is too restrictive and that they are looking at completely replacing it.


However, in order to maintain balance players will be required to obtain 15,000 Heavy Metal Plates to get the UI changes and will only be able to log in to FFXI once per RL day.
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#7 Dec 01 2011 at 4:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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rdmcandie wrote:
I don't know if I am more surprised SE is looking at this change, or that Lobi has actually been rated up.


And now you have also been rated up. How does this affect your outlook?
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I just hope they leave the commands where they are. I LOVE having the arrows for camera, and the numberpad for movement on the keyboard. They destroy this, and I will stop playing. FFXIV's camera controlls suck for not having arrow keys for camera movement. Though I will give them they have improved the camera's ability to follow which lessens the need for camera correction.
#9 Dec 01 2011 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
Computer illiterate here. What's a UI code and what can we expect from then upgrading/changing it?
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UI = User Interface
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User Interface. Basically everything that allows you to interact with the game- Macros, menus, etc.
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Computer illiterate here. What's a UI code and what can we expect from then upgrading/changing it?


UI is short for User Interface....which is pretty much what you see how the game is designed and what you (the user) can use. In terms of the code it's just saying they going to change/enhance it.


Kind of like moving from Windows Vista to Windows 7
Both Windows Operating systems....but the interface of them are different...
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rdmcandie wrote:
I don't know if I am more surprised SE is looking at this change, or that Lobi has actually been rated up.


And now you have also been rated up. How does this affect your outlook?


I get rated up and down all the time, karma doesn't bother me. What does is that I don't get to play with little arrows.
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Streamlining of menu traversing should definitely be the next thing they should work on.

Oh and more than 3 options per page.
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A complete UI re-design fills me with a sense of dread. FFXI's interface could certainly do with some improvements, but the minimalist approach was always something I loved that other MMOs didn't offer. If they **** this up it could definitely be enough to make me walk away from the game.
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A complete UI re-design fills me with a sense of dread. FFXI's interface could certainly do with some improvements, but the minimalist approach was always something I loved that other MMOs didn't offer. If they **** this up it could definitely be enough to make me walk away from the game.
a agree with the fear, there is definitely some things that are clunky about FFXIs UI, but I absolutely love how little is on my screen, that being said I'm still optimistic that this overall will entail improvements without removing what is already great about it
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I'm okay with a revamp as long as the option remains to keep things as they are. Right now there's very little clutter on the screen, and the chat log removes itself from view when no one's talking. That sort of thing suits me perfectly. If they start filling up my screen with bits and pieces, I don't think I'd appreciate it much.

I'll reserve judgement until I've seen some screenshots of the end result though.
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you will be able to set UI and Overlay resolution independently


HIP HIP HOORAY

and those capable of running XI to their 1080p televisions REJOICED!
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Does this mean I'll get to see Tarutaru's now?
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I'm a little excited and worried at the same time.

One of my issues with a lot of MMOs is the clutter. Sure you can move stuff around, but it's still cluttered regardless of how you do it. I love the way things only appear on screen when you need them. My only real issue with the UI as it is would be the responsiveness of the macros.

Higher resolutions are wonderful, and for those that like smaller chat screens (I do not) it will be great for them.

Just please... make mouse use optional. I'm terrible at other MMOs because I really hate mouse controls outside of RTS or Diablo lol.
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I don't think they are going to throw out the current UI design. It's probably more like they want to add things to it and improve it and can't because the UI source code is made to work within PS2 memory constraints and is such a tangled knot of spaghetti code (because code organization took a back seat to memory optimization) that extending it is more work that just redoing it.

For example someone asked if they were going to add a second log window and Tanaka said that it is impossible to do that with the current UI code.



Edited, Dec 1st 2011 9:05pm by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
The main screen resolution for "FINAL FANTASY XI" is dependent on the "Overlay Graphics Resolution" setting.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
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Does this mean I'll get to see Tarutaru's now?


No! We will still be hiding in your lunch box.....
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Does this mean I'll get to see Tarutaru's now?


No! We will still be hiding in your lunch box.....


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rdmcandie wrote:
I don't know if I am more surprised SE is looking at this change, or that Lobi has actually been rated up.

I am doing the best I can to Tanaka this situation.


Can we turn this into a verb now?

Like .. you Tanaka'd that all up.
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I'm dreading this. I played Everquest before they updated the UI to allow for adjustable windows and transparency settings, and now it's such a jumbled headache! The main reason I will not EVER play the new Final Fantasy online is the UI.

I absolutely love the current FFXI UI. It's simple, seamless, and easy to navigate. With a few button presses everything is gone and not obstructing my field of vision, and just as easily I can expand anything out. I can make the text fill the entire screen and change filters to view, say, only what has been said on the linkshell and then remove it all from my view in just a few button presses. It's all so perfect!

I don't want transparent windows. I don't want multiple chat windows either. I don't want to be buried under a mess of complicated windows. Please tell me this won't be a mandatory change! If they make this change so it resembles every other game out there it will be the death of the game for me.
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Elliander, though it's not really against forum rules or anything except in severe situations (like spam), please try to avoid necroposting in topics. Though we respect your opinion as far as the UI changes, to post in a topic that's been inactive for nearly 5 months is generally frowned upon.
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#27 May 07 2012 at 2:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Incidentally, who else thinks that with Tanaka in charge, a major aim of this UI revamp is to break 3rd party programs? Let's just hope that he's learned from FFXIV that you can't do everything server-side and still deliver acceptable performance.
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Incidentally, who else thinks that with Tanaka in charge, a major aim of this UI revamp is to break 3rd party programs? Let's just hope that he's learned from FFXIV that you can't do everything server-side and still deliver acceptable performance.


They had this as part of the announcement:

Hiromichi Tanaka wrote:
User Customization Features
The window scheme and GUI scripts for FFXI will be released so users can design their own interface features.


That's not to say that they wouldn't do such a thing as try to kill some of the third party apps we have now, but taken at face value it looks like they're offering support for at least some of them.
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Yeah, I wouldn't expect an SE sponsored Spellcast anytime soon, but something like seeing your party/alliance's TP/MP and maybe recasts and durations isn't too far out there as well as a means to possibly fully customize macro and chat bars.
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