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#202 Jun 04 2012 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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Then if you make it to act 2 inferno you'll rage quit.

I giggle at all of the consternation over how hard Inferno supposedly is (I'm still in Nightmare).

Hardcore gamers always complain that games are too easy nowadays, but when they're presented with something that is actually difficult, something actually designed to frustrate you and weed out the truly hardcore gamers from the rest of the crowd, they complain that it's too hard. The irony is delicious.
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#203 Jun 04 2012 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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While I'd never want to willingly associate myself with the negative aspects of hardcore players, as someone getting exploded in A3 Inferno by basically anything that touches my DH at 40k HP, I'd like to stress the point that there is a difference between cheap difficulty and true difficulty. The latter ideally relies more on skill, and while said skill could help soften the blows of cheap difficulties, once you're one-shotted by a few near instant projectiles or just get deluged to the point you can't dodge anyway, you'll quickly realize Blizz strove more for cheap difficulty.

Honestly, I'd prefer mobs getting new tricks and stronger AI as the difficulties increase. The latter may even be true now, but by Blizzard's own admittance, they overtuned Inferno if only to try and snuff out overpowered abilities in hopes of promoting build flexibility. The irony here is they're doing just the opposite in practically forcing people to select certain skills so they can survive. I still weep for the Smoke Screen nerf for DH because there wasn't really anything left in its place to keep you safe once you're out of Discipline. Traps are a joke when the snare effects are auto-reduced just by the difficulty setting, nevermind adding Extra Fast properties to packs or certain mob types. When you're a class that's supposed to keep foes at range, suddenly losing the ability to do so is paralyzing. I'd be more keen on multiplayer if the concept of tanking actually existed in the game. Instead, it's more like every man for themselves even in group play.
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Then if you make it to act 2 inferno you'll rage quit.

I giggle at all of the consternation over how hard Inferno supposedly is (I'm still in Nightmare).

Hardcore gamers always complain that games are too easy nowadays, but when they're presented with something that is actually difficult, something actually designed to frustrate you and weed out the truly hardcore gamers from the rest of the crowd, they complain that it's too hard. The irony is delicious.


If only there was any irony to be had. Demons souls is difficult, hard. Dark souls is difficult, hard. Inferno is stupid. There are several major design flaws in the game that I've mentioned on other boards, and it's just sickening that they exist. Diablo is all about endgame farming, but the endgame of D3 is horrible, broken, and flawed. Hopefully they fix it before I get bored of leveling new classes.

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Demea wrote:
Hardcore gamers always complain that games are too easy nowadays, but when they're presented with something that is actually difficult, something actually designed to frustrate you and weed out the truly hardcore gamers from the rest of the crowd, they complain that it's too hard. The irony is delicious.
While there are certainly some players who complain about it being "too hard," there are plenty of legitimate complaints about how they implemented Inferno, both with regards to the "difficulty" and with how gear scaling works.
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For the record, I think Act 1 Inferno is paced about right for difficulty curve. That one was very challenging as I geared up and refined my skills. The rest are gearcheck walls when said gear drops from the very acts it's walling off and sells for 5mil or more each on the AH.

That said, I don't think they need to do much with it. From the beginning they've said "Normal/Nightmare/**** are the game, your gear keeps pace with the difficulty and your level rather well, you get new skills, and things change. Inferno is for the people who insisted on levelling to 99 in D2, with no new skills gear is everything and we're going to make sure you earn every piece (or get a lucky Legendary in **** which you flip for enough to buy the pieced like my WD did). The game only ends with Inferno if you choose that."

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While I'd never want to willingly associate myself with the negative aspects of hardcore players, as someone getting exploded in A3 Inferno by basically anything that touches my DH at 40k HP, I'd like to stress the point that there is a difference between cheap difficulty and true difficulty. The latter ideally relies more on skill, and while said skill could help soften the blows of cheap difficulties, once you're one-shotted by a few near instant projectiles or just get deluged to the point you can't dodge anyway, you'll quickly realize Blizz strove more for cheap difficulty.

Honestly, I'd prefer mobs getting new tricks and stronger AI as the difficulties increase. The latter may even be true now, but by Blizzard's own admittance, they overtuned Inferno if only to try and snuff out overpowered abilities in hopes of promoting build flexibility. The irony here is they're doing just the opposite in practically forcing people to select certain skills so they can survive. I still weep for the Smoke Screen nerf for DH because there wasn't really anything left in its place to keep you safe once you're out of Discipline. Traps are a joke when the snare effects are auto-reduced just by the difficulty setting, nevermind adding Extra Fast properties to packs or certain mob types. When you're a class that's supposed to keep foes at range, suddenly losing the ability to do so is paralyzing. I'd be more keen on multiplayer if the concept of tanking actually existed in the game. Instead, it's more like every man for themselves even in group play.
I'm not even remotely that squishy and I only have 37k hp on my DH. What are your resists/armor?

For the most part, it seems a lot of the complaining about inferno is coming from people that want to rush ahead of their current gear's capabilities.
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2792 on armor with resists around 215ish give or take. I'm more than aware that the latter is low, but my luck with gear drops to both personally upgrade or sell on the AH has been abysmal. Quick head math, I'm about 47% DR with just armor, and for something like physical at 215, I'd be at 68% reduction. Even so, to see 50k+ hits, mob default damage values need to be pretty high.
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Ya, I'd say the item drops in D3 are the biggest disappointment. The AH definitely ruins the Diablo experience.

Of course, you could just avoid using the AH all together, but then again, they made items so worthless that getting gold to level your crafting enough to make good gear would be difficult. I remember grabbing all the "FINE" white gear in D2 to vendor cause it actually had value. I think the highest I've seen a white sell for in D3 is 9 gold.

In high school me and my friends played D2 and I remember doing Tal Rasha and Meph runs constantly to get finish off that awesome set or get that unique (before Lord of Destruction came out and let you run Baal instead). D3 just doesn't have that same awesome feeling. Instead I'm just running around grabbing Elite and Champion groups and searching for that large Chest on the last floor hoping to get enough blues and the occasional (worthless to me) rare that I can pawn off for a few thousand gold and search the AH for an item that drops from an act or difficulty level ahead of me which is actually useful.
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2792 on armor with resists around 215ish give or take. I'm more than aware that the latter is low, but my luck with gear drops to both personally upgrade or sell on the AH has been abysmal. Quick head math, I'm about 47% DR with just armor, and for something like physical at 215, I'd be at 68% reduction. Even so, to see 50k+ hits, mob default damage values need to be pretty high.
You're probably going to have to grind out some Warden/Butcher runs or Skeleton King or even goblins. With 4.3k armor/500 resists, I'm reasonably comfortable on the same content, and that's all Act I gear other than the weap, which was 700k on the AH.
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2792 on armor with resists around 215ish give or take. I'm more than aware that the latter is low, but my luck with gear drops to both personally upgrade or sell on the AH has been abysmal. Quick head math, I'm about 47% DR with just armor, and for something like physical at 215, I'd be at 68% reduction. Even so, to see 50k+ hits, mob default damage values need to be pretty high.
You're probably going to have to grind out some Warden/Butcher runs or Skeleton King or even goblins. With 4.3k armor/500 resists, I'm reasonably comfortable on the same content, and that's all Act I gear other than the weap, which was 700k on the AH.


Which kinda brings us full circle on the types of difficulty. It may have been slow and even a bit ugly at points, but the fact I'm even in A3 should say something. In terms of raw stats, farming A3 will be better because it has drops the prior acts don't. Further establishing that some mobs are mechanically cheap doesn't really change that. Roughly doubling my stats won't happen instantly, and that window of being one-shotted will still exist for probably half of that process or more. Defensively, yeah, I'm undergeared. Offensively, I'm feeling the pinch, too. But even if I can survive two hits, my overall fighting strategy isn't gonna change: Dodge ****.

Plugging your numbers in, I get ~81% reductions. On the same 50k or more hits I'm taking now, adding 13% more would shave off 6500. Still a few k short of my total HP pool. So, either damage formulas out there are borked, or there's something else we're overlooking. Regardless, Blizz balanced Inferno poorly.
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For the record, I think Act 1 Inferno is paced about right for difficulty curve. That one was very challenging as I geared up and refined my skills. The rest are gearcheck walls when said gear drops from the very acts it's walling off and sells for 5mil or more each on the AH.

Unfortunately the only reason you feel that way is because you bought act 2/3 weapons and gear off the auction house. It's practically impossible to farm act 1 with gear from **** act 4 or inferno act 1.

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That said, I don't think they need to do much with it. From the beginning they've said "Normal/Nightmare/**** are the game, your gear keeps pace with the difficulty and your level rather well, you get new skills, and things change. Inferno is for the people who insisted on levelling to 99 in D2, with no new skills gear is everything and we're going to make sure you earn every piece (or get a lucky Legendary in **** which you flip for enough to buy the pieced like my WD did). The game only ends with Inferno if you choose that."

But **** is worthless. You can only get up to t15 drops in **** which are only half as effective as drops from inferno act 3/4. In fact t16, which starts dropping in act 1 inferno, is a 38% increase over t15. Except for maybe 10 specific legendary items there's nothing you could possibly ever get in **** that would be usable on your character. And good luck selling anything from **** on the auction house.

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But even if I can survive two hits, my overall fighting strategy isn't gonna change: Dodge sh*t.

Now try playing a barb or monk. :(

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For the record, I think Act 1 Inferno is paced about right for difficulty curve. That one was very challenging as I geared up and refined my skills. The rest are gearcheck walls when said gear drops from the very acts it's walling off and sells for 5mil or more each on the AH.

Unfortunately the only reason you feel that way is because you bought act 2/3 weapons and gear off the auction house. It's practically impossible to farm act 1 with gear from **** act 4 or inferno act 1.

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That said, I don't think they need to do much with it. From the beginning they've said "Normal/Nightmare/**** are the game, your gear keeps pace with the difficulty and your level rather well, you get new skills, and things change. Inferno is for the people who insisted on levelling to 99 in D2, with no new skills gear is everything and we're going to make sure you earn every piece (or get a lucky Legendary in **** which you flip for enough to buy the pieced like my WD did). The game only ends with Inferno if you choose that."

But **** is worthless. You can only get up to t15 drops in **** which are only half as effective as drops from inferno act 3/4. In fact t16, which starts dropping in act 1 inferno, is a 38% increase over t15. Except for maybe 10 specific legendary items there's nothing you could possibly ever get in **** that would be usable on your character. And good luck selling anything from **** on the auction house.

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But even if I can survive two hits, my overall fighting strategy isn't gonna change: Dodge sh*t.

Now try playing a barb or monk. :(

Edited, Jun 5th 2012 1:38am by Deadgye


FARM Act 1? Maybe not. I meant staggering bleeding to the butcher having fled from any champion packs you couldn't cheese or somehow managed to not have a kryptonite ability for your playstyle, and after a while of whittling him down and having things take too long and such having everything work your way for a kill. It was difficult, it got frustrating sometimes, but it felt like a challenge I could beat if I got past my "kill everything in the way" mentality.

And for the record, I can't guarantee every item I had wasn't from the AH but I didn't have anything obscene and my DH's weapon was a 600dps XBow she'd found herself. It wasn't until levelling my second character (the WD) through **** that I got a 3M amulet that gave me enough money to start looking at gear. He now has a 1250 dps hammer, I won't claim he's not cheesing. His current strat is to spirit for safety, run in, locust swarm, and then run away and evade while everything dies.
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Then if you make it to act 2 inferno you'll rage quit.

I giggle at all of the consternation over how hard Inferno supposedly is (I'm still in Nightmare).

Hardcore gamers always complain that games are too easy nowadays, but when they're presented with something that is actually difficult, something actually designed to frustrate you and weed out the truly hardcore gamers from the rest of the crowd, they complain that it's too hard. The irony is delicious.
There's a sweet spot between too easy and ridiculously overtuned. It kinda sounds like they overshot the mark with Inferno.
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The problem with D3 scaling is hitting that sweet spot between too easy and uppercut to the jaw is a very fine line. Either nothing can touch you if you are overgeared, or everything can kill you if you are undergeared.

On wizard, you either demolish packs before they reach you or get involved in very tricky kite-fests. teleporting Fast enhanced baseline fast mobs are probably the worst. even with max move speed reduc on them they still run faster than you.
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So, I got to Inferno on my Wizard today. I figured it wouldn't be as bad as people made it out to be.

/shortrant

Elites and Champions can go die in a fire. Oh, wait, they're too fast for that! And I can't say I like the "Out of Time" status effect. What does anyone care I want to kite stuff for 20 minutes until it dies if that makes a fight winnable. Inferno is nnnghggghgh.

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#219 Jun 05 2012 at 1:19 PM Rating: Good
So yeah I picked this up now. Just noobin around a bit trying out classes so far. I'm definitely drawn to the DH, seems like a nice mix of snares and direct hard ranged DPS. I thought the monk was cool too but it was weird gettign nothing but swords and clubs and junk as upgrades for him. When do you get more cestus/fists?

I also tried the wizard and that ice beam seems pretty sweet.

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Wait until the icecream beam becomes a red beam of death with mini beams of death that nukes anything that gets close. Only big downside is on the harder difficulties you really won't get too many chances to just sit and nuke (when you are solo, in groups you will get a touch more opportunities).
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So yeah I picked this up now. Just noobin around a bit trying out classes so far. I'm definitely drawn to the DH, seems like a nice mix of snares and direct hard ranged DPS. I thought the monk was cool too but it was weird gettign nothing but swords and clubs and junk as upgrades for him. When do you get more cestus/fists?


<== 41 MNK currently "farming" Nightmare Act II ( And by farming I mean logging in & out hoping a cave spawns that might have a chest in it with something for the Pony level).

I was able to duel weild stuff for most of normal, but by act 4 I went sword & board and have stuck with it since. That being said, the Monk's animation has them attacking with punches & kicks anyways- they actually puts their swords & shields away to fight things. You get better 1-handed Monk weapons, sometimes, but just use the best 1 handed combos you can until you need to switch to 1 handed & shield. 2 Handed weapons, unless they have great stats, tend to always do less damage that duel wielding anything.

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So yeah I picked this up now. Just noobin around a bit trying out classes so far. I'm definitely drawn to the DH, seems like a nice mix of snares and direct hard ranged DPS. I thought the monk was cool too but it was weird gettign nothing but swords and clubs and junk as upgrades for him. When do you get more cestus/fists?


<== 41 MNK currently "farming" Nightmare Act II ( And by farming I mean logging in & out hoping a cave spawns that might have a chest in it with something for the Pony level).

I was able to duel weild stuff for most of normal, but by act 4 I went sword & board and have stuck with it since. That being said, the Monk's animation has them attacking with punches & kicks anyways- they actually puts their swords & shields away to fight things. You get better 1-handed Monk weapons, sometimes, but just use the best 1 handed combos you can until you need to switch to 1 handed & shield. 2 Handed weapons, unless they have great stats, tend to always do less damage that duel wielding anything.

Edited, Jun 5th 2012 6:46pm by Omegavegeta

In my limited time playing a monk (level 35ish, cleared normal), I never had to resort to a shield. I found that dual-wielding daggers was best for spirit generation, which fuels all the **** things the monk can do. So long as you're using at least some Life per Hit, and have at least one of the "oh ****" buttons specced (heal ability, Serenity w/ heal rune, Sanctuary), you should be absolutely fine.

Of course, I understand that at higher difficulty levels, a shield is almost required.
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So yeah I picked this up now. Just noobin around a bit trying out classes so far. I'm definitely drawn to the DH, seems like a nice mix of snares and direct hard ranged DPS. I thought the monk was cool too but it was weird gettign nothing but swords and clubs and junk as upgrades for him. When do you get more cestus/fists?


<== 41 MNK currently "farming" Nightmare Act II ( And by farming I mean logging in & out hoping a cave spawns that might have a chest in it with something for the Pony level).

I was able to duel weild stuff for most of normal, but by act 4 I went sword & board and have stuck with it since. That being said, the Monk's animation has them attacking with punches & kicks anyways- they actually puts their swords & shields away to fight things. You get better 1-handed Monk weapons, sometimes, but just use the best 1 handed combos you can until you need to switch to 1 handed & shield. 2 Handed weapons, unless they have great stats, tend to always do less damage that duel wielding anything.

Edited, Jun 5th 2012 6:46pm by Omegavegeta

In my limited time playing a monk (level 35ish, cleared normal), I never had to resort to a shield. I found that dual-wielding daggers was best for spirit generation, which fuels all the **** things the monk can do. So long as you're using at least some Life per Hit, and have at least one of the "oh sh*t" buttons specced (heal ability, Serenity w/ heal rune, Sanctuary), you should be absolutely fine.

Of course, I understand that at higher difficulty levels, a shield is almost required.


Cool that's good info guys appreciate it. It's a spit between monk and DH right now for what I want to play first. I did notice animation stays martial it just seems weird to me to have a sword and shield on a monk. It seems more like he would parry with iron wrist bracers or some such and stick to knuckles. Although I guess a staff would sort of make canon sense...

Then again now that I am thinking about it more Shaolin monks used all kinds of bladed weapons as well. Like halberd style weapons, big curved swords, tri-staff, bladed chain whip. etc
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I played a Demon Hunter to 30 or so, towards the beginning of Act II Nightmare. I eventually decided that I didn't like kiting as much as tanking, so I rerolled Monk and haven't looked back.
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A2 Inferno cleared on Demon Hunter. Barbarian is up to the Maghda fight. I need to farm before attempting A3. Belial was rough; I didn't put out as much damage as I'll need.

Hardcore characters are currently a 34 Barb, 19 DH and a 17 Monk, plus a 15 DH over on the EU servers.
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I said GOOD GAME!
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If you have a LinkedIn account that shares a password, they just got nailed.
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Get an Authenticator.

Been using an Authenticator since whenever they came out and I wasn't hacked until the day I removed it from my account. Literally the same day. Makes me wonder how long they've been spying on me.
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I said GOOD GAME!

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If you have a LinkedIn account that shares a password, they just got nailed.


The only commonality is my primary email happens to be my bnet email (and this is because credit card info could be involved), and I can basically pull up half a year of emails without a single phishing attempt present. I've otherwise been fairly good about using alternate identities when jumping into new spheres, utilizing dummy yahoo accounts and the like for things I know I really won't care much about.

I'd only recently gotten a smart phone, so I have the authenticator set up on it now. I'm not entirely sure that will do any good if they're compromising people the way I believe they are, though. And really, for every 10 "Get an authenticator!" posts I see, there's probably at least 1 who claims they still got hit. Either way, they shouldn't be an excuse for Blizz to employ lazy security practices.

And really, I've been around the net long enough to know the "what not to do" things and am at the very least protected more than your average person who may've gotten caught up in phishing scams. I probably caught the compromise within 45 minutes of it happening, and I would've noticed sooner if I'd actually alt-tabbed back to the game between some conversations. Just because, I went through and updated my software (if it even needed it) and did thorough scans with at least 4 programs, all if which showed nary a hint of anything out of the ordinary. So, if by some fluke I have a trojan on my system at the moment, it's playing very hard to get. I'd be even more curious to know where it would've came from since in the 3 weeks or so since D3's launch, my net browsing has actually been pretty minimal outside of browsing here, Facebook, and other big-name sites that should ideally be secured. I do the whole Firefox song and dance with multiple security add-ons and things like iframes disabled by default, too.

I'd really love to know how if it was me, but with how common this seems to be happening, I don't think it's entirely user error. Authenticator aside, I can think of some added layers of security Blizz could employ right this instant to help protect folks, like employing whitelist locations where, if say you live in CA and allow IPs from within that state, anyone trying to log into your account from outside CA shouldn't be able to. On my end, I'd need OH and WV free since I travel between the two a lot, maybe even PA. So even if by some fluke an antsy chinaman got my log in info, they'd have to go the extra mile of knowing where I live and managing to spoof a connection from it. I have no doubt some may go that far, but if they're running through giant lists of possible accounts and passwords, basically multiplying that by 50 would scare some off or make them more sloppy in the process, thus more easily caught.
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Aaaand hacked by no readily discernible method. gg blizz.


Get an Authenticator.

Been using an Authenticator since whenever they came out and I wasn't hacked until the day I removed it from my account. Literally the same day. Makes me wonder how long they've been spying on me.

This...minus the being hacked after removing part since I've no intention of ever doing that.
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Aaaand hacked by no readily discernible method. gg blizz.


If you have a LinkedIn account that shares a password, they just got nailed.


The only commonality is my primary email happens to be my bnet email (and this is because credit card info could be involved), and I can basically pull up half a year of emails without a single phishing attempt present. I've otherwise been fairly good about using alternate identities when jumping into new spheres, utilizing dummy yahoo accounts and the like for things I know I really won't care much about.

I'd only recently gotten a smart phone, so I have the authenticator set up on it now. I'm not entirely sure that will do any good if they're compromising people the way I believe they are, though. And really, for every 10 "Get an authenticator!" posts I see, there's probably at least 1 who claims they still got hit. Either way, they shouldn't be an excuse for Blizz to employ lazy security practices.

And really, I've been around the net long enough to know the "what not to do" things and am at the very least protected more than your average person who may've gotten caught up in phishing scams. I probably caught the compromise within 45 minutes of it happening, and I would've noticed sooner if I'd actually alt-tabbed back to the game between some conversations. Just because, I went through and updated my software (if it even needed it) and did thorough scans with at least 4 programs, all if which showed nary a hint of anything out of the ordinary. So, if by some fluke I have a trojan on my system at the moment, it's playing very hard to get. I'd be even more curious to know where it would've came from since in the 3 weeks or so since D3's launch, my net browsing has actually been pretty minimal outside of browsing here, Facebook, and other big-name sites that should ideally be secured. I do the whole Firefox song and dance with multiple security add-ons and things like iframes disabled by default, too.

I'd really love to know how if it was me, but with how common this seems to be happening, I don't think it's entirely user error. Authenticator aside, I can think of some added layers of security Blizz could employ right this instant to help protect folks, like employing whitelist locations where, if say you live in CA and allow IPs from within that state, anyone trying to log into your account from outside CA shouldn't be able to. On my end, I'd need OH and WV free since I travel between the two a lot, maybe even PA. So even if by some fluke an antsy chinaman got my log in info, they'd have to go the extra mile of knowing where I live and managing to spoof a connection from it. I have no doubt some may go that far, but if they're running through giant lists of possible accounts and passwords, basically multiplying that by 50 would scare some off or make them more sloppy in the process, thus more easily caught.


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Aaaand hacked by no readily discernible method. gg blizz.


If you have a LinkedIn account that shares a password, they just got nailed.


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2.7k ms lag spike. GG HC Barb. At least I didn't get it to 60 before losing it to a lag spike.
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2.7k ms lag spike. GG HC Barb. At least I didn't get it to 60 before losing it to a lag spike.


Why Hardcore and Diablo III should never have gone together.

You have my sympathies.

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I just discovered "Elective Mode" on my level 21 DH. That sure made it easier to build how I want. Smiley: lol
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I just discovered "Elective Mode" on my level 21 DH. That sure made it easier to build how I want. Smiley: lol


Yeah, they defaulted it to off so that people didn't get overwhelmed by choices, but once you get your feet under ya it's the first thing to turn on.
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Well, we might be looking at a rollback. Or not. For those of you just tuning in, there was a rather large discussion erupting across the various sites about a gold dupe that had ruined the economy. Screens of multi-billion gold accounts were going up. And it was because the client allegedly used the user's system clock for things such as posting and closing auctions. Anywho, I odn't know how true it was/is, but Bashiok has posted that this is likely not true, similar to the Real ID debacle. His full post is below.

I don't know what is true and what isn't, but this full post was pretty much my play by play after seeing the first posts pop up on Reddit.

There was an exploit with the Auction House. Apparently, the client based all things requiring a time, including the time left on an auction, on the user's system time, and not on a central server time. I'm not clear on the specifics, but the exploit involved "players changing their clock to alter the timer on their items being sold. If you bid (not buyout) on an item there is a chance that the seller will be able to steal your money by making the timer go to 0, then reversing the clock by 2 days and cancelling the trade (getting the gold and the item)." (via Reddit) That's not the method to reproduce the exploit, just a guess, and the exploit has already been hotfixed.

But still, the effects have been felt.

Additionally, there may have been a second exploit running around allowing for flat out duping of gold. Details are sketchy at the moment. Either the first exploit I mentioned allowed the seller to keep the item and receive the bid gold AND the buyer get his gold refunded, or the seller gets the item and the gold, the bidder loses the gold, and there is a second exploit for gold duping running around. I'm not sure.

Edit 2: Here is the second exploit. Also hotfixed, and also based on the client using the user's clock to ***** with the system. From the o-boards:

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Player A puts item up on AH
Player B buys item
Player A takes out the gold from that transaction
Player B turns back the clock on his desktop by 2 days
Player B will get back the money he spent on the item, and player A will also have the money that was originally paid, thus duping the gold.


So yeah. The economy is pretty damaged right now (I'm seeing a lot of items priced at 2 billion at the moment), and we might be looking at a rollback. Blizzard really dropped the ball on the Auction House this time around.

Edit: Wow. The forums are going apesh*t, understandably.

Edit 2: Added details about second exploit above.

Edit 3: Rumors are going around that the Asian servers experienced a 3 day rollback. I haven't been able to find a blue or news post to confirm.


Edit 4: Bashiok just posted this:

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We haven't deployed any hot fixes this evening. As far as we can tell the supposed exploit never worked, but we'll continue looking into it. Yes, changing the system clock can change auction times, but that doesnt dupe gold. It's pretty easy to see how much gold people have, and we have no indication anyone has/had that much.


So a rollback might not be actually happening. High prices could have been people assuming hyper inflation and basing prices on that, and the image I linked above would not be hard to photoshop. Even if it were not shopped, with items selling in the millions/tens of millions regularly, it's not unbelievable for the very rich to have billions. tl;dr: Blizzard claims there is no dupe.

Spoilered a lot of the allegedly irrelevant information above.

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#245 Jun 12 2012 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5740846683

I have not even touched the AH yet. I suppose I might need to when I start doing the harder modes, sounds like the economy is massively jacked atm though.
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5740846683

I have not even touched the AH yet. I suppose I might need to when I start doing the harder modes, sounds like the economy is massively jacked atm though.

I haven't really touched the higher levels, mostly because I want to play all of the classes through Normal before picking one to level through Inferno. However, with that in mind, the AH has been fantastic since people will generally put up good rare-quality weapons and gear for levels 1-30 for under 1k BO. For each character I've leveled so far, I go to the AH every 5 or so levels and buy new weapons, which helps the whole leveling process immensely.

Also, being a Blizzard employee and therefore required to actually read through the hundreds and thousands of complaints on the forums (usually silly and/or invalid ones) must be torture.
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The real-money auction house went live on the US servers today. Econ students looking for a senior thesis paper: you're welcome.
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The real-money auction house went live on the US servers today. Econ students looking for a senior thesis paper: you're welcome.


I would just like to say, I wanted to check it out see if anyone is selling anything and i get an error "There is a 3 day wait to use the Auction house for digital purchasers."

Yeah its a digital copy of the game IVE HAD FOR 4 WEEKS. Now we have to wait 3 more days?
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The real-money auction house went live on the US servers today. Econ students looking for a senior thesis paper: you're welcome.


我只想说,我想检查它看到,如果有人卖什么,我得到一个错误“是一个为期3天的等待使用数码购买拍卖的房子。”

是一个数字游戏副本香港专业教育学院已连续4周。现在我们已经等待了3天?

I can't imagine why they did that.
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The real-money auction house went live on the US servers today. Econ students looking for a senior thesis paper: you're welcome.


我只想说,我想检查它看到,如果有人卖什么,我得到一个错误“是一个为期3天的等待使用数码购买拍卖的房子。”

是一个数字游戏副本香港专业教育学院已连续4周。现在我们已经等待了3天?

I can't imagine why they did that.


I'm not that dense to not realize why they did it but even the FAQ says any Digital copies of the game bought and registered BEFORE the RMAH opened shouldnt have to wait the 3 days, any after should. Great so why am I getting the error when I bought it pre launch.
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Odd, I have a digital copy and have been able to use it fine.

In my dream world this will help pay for the new tires and windshield repair my car needs.
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