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#1 Oct 01 2011 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Maybe I should never have said SCH was BLM 2.0. Maybe it got around. Maybe you just figured it out for yourselves. But SE, seriously, why are you showing no love for SCHs.

Yes, we got an awesome new spell. Only it's used once every 2 hours outside Abyssea. *******************

I think you missed the point of why people started loving SCH over WHM, RDM and BLM. It was more than just the AoE Stoneskine trick, albeit an awesome trick. Anyone with half a brain knows Stoneskin via that method is virtually useless unless you're in Signet areas fighting EM/DC mobs. It's day has come and gone.

No, the reason why SCH was BLM 2.0 is that it was more versatile. Need magic damage? Dark Arts/Addendum: Black and boom! You're a BLM. Need healing magic? Light Arts/Addendum: White and boom! You're a WHM. No longer are you useless when your current primary role becomes unneeded. No longer did you have to say "Oh, we need healing? Warping, BRB." You were there and you were ready.

Flash forward to Abyssea.

BLM is once more undisputed king of nukes. I can one-shot most normal mobs with the right atma and gear. WHM is the undisputed king of healers. They can duo with just about any job that can hold hate, and cure them with no issues whatsoever.

And SCH?

SCH can eat ****. Here, have a lame 1/tick Regain, some hate tools no one really needs, and a couple abilities. Enjoy! Oh and your Empyrean gear doesn't get really amazing until full +2. Sorry about that!

We are relegated to the fringe once more. Useless in all roles, as we can't really proc effectively, can't do as much damage, nor heal for as much. We were just finally gaining traction as damage dealers to the end game crowd.

I'm not asking you to give back the damage BLM now has, or alter our Empyrean to give us more power. All I ask is for one spell to be given to us.

Cure V.

That's it, one lousy spell. This puts us back in as a healer at the very least in Abyssea. Sure, it's not everything I would hope for, but honestly giving us some visibility again might remind people that SCH is a really useful job! Right now, you offer up SCH, you'll likely be laughed at and have someone ask what kind of job you're REALLY bringing...
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#2 Oct 01 2011 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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No, the reason why SCH was BLM 2.0 is that it was more versatile. Need magic damage? Dark Arts/Addendum: Black and boom! You're a BLM. Need healing magic? Light Arts/Addendum: White and boom! You're a WHM

But don't you see the problem with this? Before the WHM updates, they were better than a WHM, with their self-refresh and their cheaper spells and aoe buffs and getting nearly every important WHM spell naturally. Before abyssea, they were better than a BLM when it came to nuking efficiency, getting a lot more bang for their MP pool than a BLM that spent 75% of their time resting.

Perhaps the pendulum has shifted the other way too far, but when you can replace two different jobs entirely, a shift was needed.
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#3 Oct 01 2011 at 1:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, the reason why SCH was BLM 2.0 is that it was more versatile. Need magic damage? Dark Arts/Addendum: Black and boom! You're a BLM. Need healing magic? Light Arts/Addendum: White and boom! You're a WHM

But don't you see the problem with this? Before the WHM updates, they were better than a WHM, with their self-refresh and their cheaper spells and aoe buffs and getting nearly every important WHM spell naturally. Before abyssea, they were better than a BLM when it came to nuking efficiency, getting a lot more bang for their MP pool than a BLM that spent 75% of their time resting.
No argument here on ANY of that, however:

Erecia wrote:
Perhaps the pendulum has shifted the other way too far, but when you can replace two different jobs entirely, a shift was needed.
SCH has no role any longer. It's back to the way it was before they gave us a lot of those spells and abilities that made us "better". Efficient is more the word, as you say.

Stormsurge is a joke in Abyssea, and outside no one cares with the Signet/Sigil buffs (and no one goes outside those areas any more unless for trials now anyway). Helix is good damage, but DoT kills are sacrilegious in Abyssea, and only good for soloing or impressing n00bs in starter zones. Sure, we can still solo stuff, or low man with other SCHs or BLMs. But as for being a needed, desired job, we're completely off the map.

You know, it would have been amazing if SCH Empyrean had + MAB on more than one piece, or + Cure potency at all. Instead we got a crock of ****, with the only really OMG moment being if we get a Quick Cast on +2 sets. The body is really the only amazing piece, the rest is forgettable. 10% for some of the abilities sounds amazing, but since the base damage doesn't approach BLM, we're talking 100-200 extra damage per very large MP burn on top of what the ability offers.

I never wanted SCH to replace BLM or WHM wholesale, but I enjoy being more than a one-trick pony. I love being able to adapt to the situation and being beneficial without having to return to town and regear for 10-20 minutes. As it stands, I can't proc, I can't heal, my damage is subpar, my buffs useless and overall I'm just a waste of a party slot in comparison.
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#4 Oct 01 2011 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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It's cyclical. Every job in this game has gone from being Awesomesauce to Lamesauce and back, sometimes multiple times. There was a period not THAT many years ago when BSTs were considered antisocial loners, RNGs were the number one DD of all time, and nobody wanted a BLM because there was a SCH seeking.

So SE adjusts things. Then they adjust them again. And again.

When they release the next batch of new or modified events, I have no doubt that SCH will shine brightly in at least one of them. I recall SCH doing quite well in Salvage and Nyzul back in the day, partially because of its versatility, but also because it could do a lot of things with just magic and job abilities.

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#5 Oct 01 2011 at 9:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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So SE adjusts things. Then they adjust them again. And again.

Which is exactly what the OP is asking for. So why is there even a debate?
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#6kimjongil76, Posted: Oct 04 2011 at 3:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Scholar should have few changes.
#7 Oct 09 2011 at 7:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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kimjongil76 wrote:
adaman black.
Phantox
Klimflare
Double hexi
Adaman white
non adaman white.
Sublimgation


You sure you play SCH?
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#8 Oct 10 2011 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Phantox : Used quite effectively by Chlamydia at the battle of Thermocoupler.

Sublimgation: also written as /blmgation

Adaman : Hangry info added after the written/printed work that precedes it.

Double hexi: WS performed only by 96 WHM using KC & Octave club.

Klimflare: no idea lol

previous post intended as satire only, your mileage may vary)
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#9 Oct 10 2011 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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He's been doing this in the BLU forum for months, and some of those spells are hard enough to type even before you drop that much acid.
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#10 Oct 10 2011 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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kimjongil76 wrote:
adaman black.
Phantox
Klimflare
Double hexi
Adaman white
non adaman white.
Sublimgation


You sure you play SCH?



I was going to do the same thing, but figured I would get ripped to shreds!
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#11 Oct 10 2011 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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I was going to do the same thing, but figured I would get ripped to shreds!


Nah, dude. Blatant, numerous misspellings like that are begging to be mocked.

Re: Phantox, anyone suspect that's the name of the stuff he's on?
#13 Dec 31 2011 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, even though the now-deceased Korean President For Life can't spell or write for ****... some of that is good.

Making Tier IV available without Addendum: Black would be nice, for sure.

Klimaform is useless, so forget that...

Aspir/Drain II would be sweet to have natively too.

But Cure V would fix everything, to be honest.
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#14 May 24 2012 at 3:40 AM Rating: Decent
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white mage enfeebles like silence would be nice.
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#15 May 24 2012 at 10:48 PM Rating: Default
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Spells

Stun
Silence
T4 naturaly. Right now rdm are better nukers with unloked spells. Why is it Every black magc spell outside of break we got 70+ is adaman black. Do we learn nothing nturaly?

Weapon skill Cactalism: Why on earth does whm get this. They already get hexa strike. We get 0 new staff weaponskill 75+ naturaly.

And along the line SE gave all our helix's as a support job. Yet e get nothing for this. So solution a spell that ill double the next helix. Simular time cast as klamaform. I know we have a JA, but that should be in addition. SE adds VW monsters with 70,000+ HP and they thinka 50-150 a tic is worth casting.

I would love to get one more buff spell. Simular to adloquium. In this case though naturaly add 2% attack to hom its cast upon. Depending on enhancing skill can be raised to 5%

Oh and a spell that would allow for double weather bonuses. This could be helpful for when we cast a weatherspell with stormsurge. The bonuses would be doubled. Or when mages have upon then they can do double dmg.

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