Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Today could be the day....Follow

#27 Jun 06 2012 at 8:09 AM Rating: Default
We Does Not Hugglez
*****
10,246 posts
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources.
Quote:
Follow the money trail, it doesn't lead to public employees.

Actually, it does, just in a more round about sort of way. Public employees are no better than welfare recipients. They suck at the government tit and largely vote for whoever promises to increase their ranks or their union contract benefits. The money trail that leads to them is the conflict of interest that is inherent to public sector unionization.


____________________________
I had a very witty signature once, but apparently it offended the sensibilities of some of the frailer constitutions that frequent this particular internet message board.

[The rest of this message has been censored and I can't tell you what I actually think of you]
#28 Jun 06 2012 at 8:21 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
MoebiusLord wrote:
Public employees are no better than welfare recipients. They suck at the government tit and largely vote for whoever promises to increase their ranks or their union contract benefits.

So they look out for themselves foremost and fuck everyone else hurt by it? I'm surprised they don't vote Republican Smiley: grin
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#29 Jun 06 2012 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,595 posts
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources.
Quote:
Follow the money trail, it doesn't lead to public employees.

Actually, it does, just in a more round about sort of way. Public employees are no better than welfare recipients. They suck at the government tit and largely vote for whoever promises to increase their ranks or their union contract benefits. The money trail that leads to them is the conflict of interest that is inherent to public sector unionization.



You still carrying that big ol chip on your shoulder cuz your kids teacher (a female no less) makes more money than you?

____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#30 Jun 06 2012 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
We Does Not Hugglez
*****
10,246 posts
Elinda wrote:
You still carrying that big ol chip on your shoulder cuz your kids teacher (a female no less) makes more money than you?

Nope. Now I'm ****** because she makes almost as much as my wife.
____________________________
I had a very witty signature once, but apparently it offended the sensibilities of some of the frailer constitutions that frequent this particular internet message board.

[The rest of this message has been censored and I can't tell you what I actually think of you]
#31 Jun 06 2012 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
Supreme Lionator
*****
14,174 posts
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources..


Can you think of a single powerful country without a well developed civil service?
____________________________
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
#32 Jun 06 2012 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,569 posts
Kavekk wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources..


Can you think of a single powerful country without a well developed civil service?

I believe that Moe was referring to union bosses, not union members.
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#33 Jun 06 2012 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
Without union bosses, it'd be union anarchy!
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#34 Jun 06 2012 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
Supreme Lionator
*****
14,174 posts
Demea wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources..


Can you think of a single powerful country without a well developed civil service?

I believe that Moe was referring to union bosses, not union members.


Quote:
Actually, it does, just in a more round about sort of way. Public employees are no better than welfare recipients.


Nah, he means all punlic employees.

It was a bad quote, though.

Edited, Jun 6th 2012 6:26pm by Kavekk
____________________________
“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
#35 Jun 06 2012 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
You still carrying that big ol chip on your shoulder cuz your kids teacher (a female no less) makes more money than you?

Nope. Now I'm ****** because she makes almost as much as my wife.


And why is that a bad thing?
____________________________
Proudmoore US server:
Popina, 100 Priest
Thelesis, 91 Mage
Necralita, 90 DK
Digits, 87 Shaman
Willowmei, 85 Druid
Shrika, 72 Warlock
Jaquelle, 54 Paladin
Grakine, 32 Hunter
The MMO-Zam's FB group. Please message me first so I know who you are.
#36 Jun 06 2012 at 12:46 PM Rating: Excellent
******
49,824 posts
Well, she's a Brigadier General ...
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#37 Jun 06 2012 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
*******
TILT
You get all my green arrows for the day
____________________________
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#38 Jun 06 2012 at 3:49 PM Rating: Excellent
Avatar
*****
13,230 posts
lolgaxe wrote:
Well, she's a Brigadier General ...

Doesn't that mean she's no better than a welfare recipient?
____________________________
Just as Planned.
#39 Jun 06 2012 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
We Does Not Hugglez
*****
10,246 posts
Kavekk wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources..


Can you think of a single powerful country without a well developed civil service?

The U.S. before the explosion of the Federal government in the last 40 years.
____________________________
I had a very witty signature once, but apparently it offended the sensibilities of some of the frailer constitutions that frequent this particular internet message board.

[The rest of this message has been censored and I can't tell you what I actually think of you]
#40 Jun 07 2012 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,595 posts
MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources..


Can you think of a single powerful country without a well developed civil service?

The U.S. before the explosion of the Federal government in the last 40 years.

I'd take it back to FDR's new deal. Except for war-time expansion of the military the growth of the federal government since then has been pretty unremarkable.
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#41 Jun 07 2012 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,595 posts
My bosses comment following the Walker's triumph. STORY
Governor Lepage wrote:
"I will tell you something: government unions are hurting the citizens of all states," LePage added. "That's all I have to say about that."


We've had pay cuts, hour reductions, lay-offs and most recently (and rather unexpectedly) our health insurance was flat-funded. I am effectively making less money than I did 5 years ago. Longevity pay has been removed and we've received no merit raises or cost of living raises since 2008. I hold a college degree and am a twenty year employee. I fall into the corrupt group of middle management. I make about 50k a year. This is what our quivering blob of a union has done for us lately.

Oh ouch it hurts. Smiley: rolleyes

Meh, lunch 1/2 hour is over - better get back to work. Smiley: frown (I'm kind of sad about my job today)
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#42 Jun 07 2012 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,569 posts
Elinda wrote:
We've had pay cuts, hour reductions, lay-offs and most recently (and rather unexpectedly) our health insurance was flat-funded. I am effectively making less money than I did 5 years ago. Longevity pay has been removed and we've received no merit raises or cost of living raises since 2008.

This experience is not unique to public unions. The only difference is that bleeding hearts aren't lamenting the plight of the private-sector desk jockey.
____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#43 Jun 07 2012 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
We Does Not Hugglez
*****
10,246 posts
Elinda wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
Can you think of a single powerful country without a well developed civil service?

The U.S. before the explosion of the Federal government in the last 40 years.

I'd take it back to FDR's new deal. Except for war-time expansion of the military the growth of the federal government since then has been pretty unremarkable.

Yes, but I live in Minnesota. Having seen the education system where you grew up, that doesn't surprise me.
____________________________
I had a very witty signature once, but apparently it offended the sensibilities of some of the frailer constitutions that frequent this particular internet message board.

[The rest of this message has been censored and I can't tell you what I actually think of you]
#44 Jun 07 2012 at 11:52 AM Rating: Good
Skelly Poker Since 2008
*****
16,595 posts
Demea wrote:
Elinda wrote:
We've had pay cuts, hour reductions, lay-offs and most recently (and rather unexpectedly) our health insurance was flat-funded. I am effectively making less money than I did 5 years ago. Longevity pay has been removed and we've received no merit raises or cost of living raises since 2008.

This experience is not unique to public unions. The only difference is that bleeding hearts aren't lamenting the plight of the private-sector desk jockey.
At least in Maine, the private sector pays better, measurably better. Regardless, if the public and private sector are both tightening their belts equally, what's the deal with dismantling public-employee unions. What makes them SO evil?






Edited, Jun 7th 2012 7:52pm by Elinda
____________________________
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
#45 Jun 07 2012 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
We Does Not Hugglez
*****
10,246 posts
Elinda wrote:
At least in Maine, the private sector pays better, measurably better. Regardless, if the public and private sector are both tightening their belts equally, what's the deal with dismantling public-employee unions. What makes them SO evil?

Including benefits and work rules? Or are you just looking at salary? See, I'd take a pay cut too, were I in a similar job, if I could get an 80% pension and Cadillac health coverage. But I work for a for-profit company, and that's just not profitable.
____________________________
I had a very witty signature once, but apparently it offended the sensibilities of some of the frailer constitutions that frequent this particular internet message board.

[The rest of this message has been censored and I can't tell you what I actually think of you]
#46 Jun 07 2012 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
***
2,826 posts
MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources..


Can you think of a single powerful country without a well developed civil service?

The U.S. before the explosion of the Federal government in the last 40 years.


The statistics don't support your claim. Granted, they only go back 50 years and there was likely a huge explosion in government employment during the 1930s and 1940s, but you did say 40 years.
____________________________
Sir Xsarus wrote:
That's pretty much the best ninja edit ever.


World of Warcraft
Aggramar Alliance
Allizsah: 92 Human Paladin
#47 Jun 07 2012 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
Official Shrubbery Waterer
*****
14,569 posts
Elinda wrote:
Demea wrote:
Elinda wrote:
We've had pay cuts, hour reductions, lay-offs and most recently (and rather unexpectedly) our health insurance was flat-funded. I am effectively making less money than I did 5 years ago. Longevity pay has been removed and we've received no merit raises or cost of living raises since 2008.

This experience is not unique to public unions. The only difference is that bleeding hearts aren't lamenting the plight of the private-sector desk jockey.
At least in Maine, the private sector pays better, measurably better. Regardless, if the public and private sector are both tightening their belts equally, what's the deal with dismantling public-employee unions. What makes them SO evil?

I'm sure gbaji can (and will, Bob help us) give you a more thorough answer, but as best as I understand it (without necessarily buying into all of it), Joe Taxpayer is frustrated that all of his retirement savings got wiped out in the various financial collapses, but he's still on the hook (or more accurately, his kids are) to pay for Jane Publicunion's pension. Plus, when public unions are negotiating their CBA with local/state/federal governments, the gov't doesn't have as much incentive to limit benefits and cost increases since they're not really paying them with their money (but rather with Joe Taxpayer's taxes).

____________________________
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.

#48 Jun 07 2012 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
13,400 posts
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
The statistics don't support your claim. Granted, they only go back 50 years and there was likely a huge explosion in government employment during the 1930s and 1940s, but you did say 40 years.


I see congress has quietly doubled their payroll while slashing the size of the military drastically. Smiley: tinfoilhat
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#49 Jun 07 2012 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
******
49,824 posts
A reduction of force generally accompanies the transition to peace time.
____________________________
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
#50 Jun 07 2012 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
Meat Popsicle
*****
13,400 posts
That's exactly the kind of logic that lets the terrorists win. Smiley: disappointed
____________________________
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
#51 Jun 07 2012 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
We Does Not Hugglez
*****
10,246 posts
Bigdaddyjug wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
MoebiusLord wrote:
Elinda wrote:
And yet I don't see any union boss names on that list of gazillionaires that forbes puts out every year. I don't see their names in the news receiving seven digit bonuses despite laying off workers.

Perhaps it's because they create nothing and do little, if anything, to contribute to the economy. They are a drain on resources..


Can you think of a single powerful country without a well developed civil service?

The U.S. before the explosion of the Federal government in the last 40 years.


The statistics don't support your claim. Granted, they only go back 50 years and there was likely a huge explosion in government employment during the 1930s and 1940s, but you did say 40 years.

Yours don't, but I didn't say since the explosion of Federal government employment in the last 40 years.
____________________________
I had a very witty signature once, but apparently it offended the sensibilities of some of the frailer constitutions that frequent this particular internet message board.

[The rest of this message has been censored and I can't tell you what I actually think of you]
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 3 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (3)