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#27 Jun 19 2012 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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Shit... did you just have a stroke?


It's OK If A Republican Does It.
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#28 Jun 19 2012 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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Technogeek wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
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Shit... did you just have a stroke?


It's OK If A Republican Does It.
It probably takes less than one second to type out the words that we all know. It takes minutes - like a FULL minute and precious bytes to have to make another post to explain yourself

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#29 Jun 19 2012 at 12:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
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Shit... did you just have a stroke?


It's OK If A Republican Does It.
It probably takes less than one second to type out the words that we all know. It takes minutes - like a FULL minute and precious bytes to have to make another post to explain yourself



We all have our ways to +1.
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#30 Jun 19 2012 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was surprised to google it and find out it was really a thing. Rate downs for making me seem old and out of touch or something.
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#32 Jun 19 2012 at 3:00 PM Rating: Default
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Factually incorrect.

I wonder if Gbaji refrained from whining and ******** about where "his taxes" were going while willfully committing tax fraud because filing was too inconvenient.


It's not like I stopped paying taxes or anything. In fact, the IRS ultimately got a much larger chunk of my hard earned money as a result of me not filing on time than if I had. It's not like I concealed a source of income or anything.


I was already planning on putting in wood floors in my place and buying all new furniture in the living room and dining room. This will make things a lot less tight (obviously). Paying off the car is also obvious. Why pay interest on that if I don't have to? I'm torn on investing the remainder or paying down the mortgage. I'm at a pretty good rate and easily made payments, so the need for that isn't so great.
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#33 Jun 19 2012 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's not like I stopped paying taxes or anything.

Just not the proper amount.
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In fact, the IRS ultimately got a much larger chunk of my hard earned money as a result of me not filing on time than if I had.

Due to your tax fraud, correct. That's no sign of benevolence on your part that you got punished for refusing to file.
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It's not like I concealed a source of income or anything.

You mean like when you failed to file and consequently failed to properly report your income for the year?

But, hey, keep on crying about taxes when your means of handling them is to ignore them and then say "Ooohh, I was such a naughty boy, don't do that" after you're caught years later. If it took them two years to start emptying bank accounts, I can see you were all over doing the right thing to fix your situation.

At least now I can get a good laugh whenever you cry about taxes or welfare fraud or any instance of people gaming the system and costing "you" money for it.

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#34 Jun 19 2012 at 3:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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#35gbaji, Posted: Jun 19 2012 at 3:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow... Um. Someone **** in your cheerios this morning? I mean, feel free to sling around the whole "tax fraud" line, but what I did is legally less problematic than failing to pay a parking ticket on time. You're really reaching to turn this into some kind of a grand political statement.
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No grand political statement. I'm just a working American who pays his taxes on the basis of what he owes and when it's due. You're a guy who blows them off for years when it's inconvenient for you until you get caught. However you need to defend that is up to you.
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#37 Jun 19 2012 at 4:05 PM Rating: Default
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No grand political statement.


Except for the whole "why are you complaining about how your tax dollars are spent" bit, right?

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I'm just a working American who pays his taxes on the basis of what he owes and when it's due. You're a guy who blows them off for years when it's inconvenient for you until you get caught. However you need to defend that is up to you.


But neither of us pay out of a sense of benevolence though. I mean, it's been pretty well established that all the liberals complaining that taxes aren't high enough and they are willing to pay higher taxes are unwilling to just write a check to the government for more money when given the option. So it's not like any of us pay more than we're forced to pay. What method that takes isn't really the issue. At least I'm consistent in believing that our government spends too much money on things it shouldn't and that therefore taxes are too high. Not that I'm claiming that my failure to file 10 years ago was any sort of stand against high taxes or anything, but I also don't buy the whole "You didn't file on time, and therefore paid about 8 times more taxes than you should have over the same period of time, so for some odd reason I can't really explain this means you should not complain about how that money is spent".


Bit of a stretch IMO. I don't see how one is connected to the other at all.
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Except for the whole "why are you complaining about how your tax dollars are spent" bit, right?

You have a very generous definition of the word "grand". I'll happily admit that I'm as interested in listening to tax cheats ***** about their taxes as I am interested in listening to people with unpaid tickets ***** about how ticket revenue is spent though since you made that comparison.

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But neither of us pay out of a sense of benevolence though.

No, I pay because it's the proper thing to do. A positive side effect to this is that I don't need to write lengthy paragraphs defending why I don't bother to pay my taxes but I should still ***** about how the money is spent Smiley: thumbsup

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I also don't buy the whole...

You mean you don't accept consequences for your negligence or people's criticisms of what you did? GASP! I'll inform the media straight away! Smiley: laugh
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#39 Jun 19 2012 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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How about those immigrants not paying their ******* taxes, eh? ******* freeloaders.
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Hey Flea... paying those quarterly taxes and all that paperwork is hard. Let's just not bother any more.
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#41 Jun 19 2012 at 4:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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You people pay taxes?!! Smiley: confused

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#42 Jun 19 2012 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Hey Flea... paying those quarterly taxes and all that paperwork is hard. Let's just not bother any more.


gbaji, on Feb 16 2012 wrote:
First off, let me point out that most of the people who say they'd gladly pay higher taxes if they made twice as much money are really saying they want those people who make twice as much as they do to pay higher taxes. If they were actually making that much, they wouldn't say that. They'd still say that people making twice as much of them should pay a higher tax burden though. That's the consistency here, not that people are willing to trade one for the other.
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Well, yeah. By "quarterly taxes", I meant the taxes we pay on the twenty-five cents we earn per year.

Those bastards getting fifty cents a year have got it made though Smiley: mad
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#44 Jun 19 2012 at 5:52 PM Rating: Default
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But neither of us pay out of a sense of benevolence though.

No, I pay because it's the proper thing to do.


No. You pay because you are required to do so. If there was no law requiring you to pay taxes, and you were allowed to just voluntarily donate money to the federal government, how much would you pay? It's not because it's the right thing to do, or because you care. It's because it's required by law for you to do so. ****. They even make it easy on you by simply taking the money out of your paycheck for you!

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A positive side effect to this is that I don't need to write lengthy paragraphs defending why I don't bother to pay my taxes but I should still ***** about how the money is spent


Yeah. Still stuck on the whole "not filing==not paying" thing. You get that the year I didn't file and on which I ended out about $4k short I still paid more in taxes than most people. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it was something like paying about $40k in taxes, but I should have paid $44k. I think that the other $40k that year and all the amounts I've paid before and since, which are well above the amount the bulk of US citizens pay in income taxes still grants me the full right to ***** about how my tax dollars are spent.

You get that I'm not self employed, right? Taxes were taken out of my paychecks that year. Taxes were taken out of the stock sales I did that year. They were just off by a relatively small amount. And on that small amount, I have now paid far more in penalties and interest than the amount originally owed. So I'm not sure how you get some idea that I've somehow cheated the system.

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You mean you don't accept consequences for your negligence or people's criticisms of what you did? GASP! I'll inform the media straight away! Smiley: laugh


I do accept the consequences. I paid a significant penalty as a result of my actions. In exactly the same way that if I was late paying for a library book, I'd pay the late fee. Once that is done, my "debt" is paid.


What's funny is that in this case, my debt was more than paid 15 months ago when I wrote a really large check to the government to cover an amount I knew was close to $100k larger than the amount I owed. Uncle Sam then got to hold on to that money for over a year interest free (and absent any gains I might have made with the money as well). Now I've finally got that money back. Hence my statement at the beginning of not really "winning", but at least not losing worse than I thought I should. The government got more than their fair share from me for this Joph.
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No. You pay because you are required to do so.

I understand that I operate under a different value system than you but, to me, paying taxes is part of "things you do as a citizen". Sure, it's the law. Obviously it being the law didn't positively influence YOU to do it so there's no ground for you on that front. I don't attempt to ignore or skirt the law because I see it as part of my obligation as a citizen just like I don't try to weasel out of jury duty because I respect the law and my obligations in that case as well. You obviously see it otherwise. Heck, most people probably do and my sense of citizenship is probably anachronistic these days. I'm okay with that.

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You get that the year I didn't file and on which I ended out about $4k short I still paid more in taxes than most people.

I'm sure this rationalization for not paying the required amount helped you sleep at night for the years where you just ignored your obligation for the skipped filing.

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The government got more than their fair share from me for this Joph.

Because you were caught.

Hey, I'm not going to stop you from ******** about taxes. I just learned that I have no reason to take you seriously about it is all.
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No. You pay because you are required to do so.

I understand that I operate under a different value system than you but, to me, paying taxes is part of "things you do as a citizen".


But you wouldn't pay them unless you were legally required to do so, right?

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Sure, it's the law. Obviously it being the law didn't positively influence YOU to do it so there's no ground for you on that front.


Of course it did. The law sets rules and consequences for breaking those rules. Guess what Joph? I often exceed the posted speed limit on the freeway. I understand that I'm running the risk of getting a speeding ticket by doing so and am fully willing to pay said fine if I get caught. Shocking isn't it?

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I don't attempt to ignore or skirt the law because I see it as part of my obligation as a citizen just like I don't try to weasel out of jury duty because I respect the law and my obligations in that case as well. You obviously see it otherwise. Heck, most people probably do and my sense of citizenship is probably anachronistic these days. I'm okay with that.


Yeah. You never speed. Never cross without the walk sign on. Never park in a loading zone "just for a few minutes". Never play your music a bit too loud. You never do any of a hundred things that might result in some fine or fee, right?

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You get that the year I didn't file and on which I ended out about $4k short I still paid more in taxes than most people.

I'm sure this rationalization for not paying the required amount helped you sleep at night for the years where you just ignored your obligation for the skipped filing.


Um... You missed the whole paying for peace of mind bit, didn't you?

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The government got more than their fair share from me for this Joph.

Because you were caught.


And? It's not like I went out of my way to hide or anything (you know, which might *actually* be considered fraud). There is a bit of a difference.

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Hey, I'm not going to stop you from ******** about taxes. I just learned that I have no reason to take you seriously about it is all.


OMG! Alert the media! You're trying a bit too hard there Joph. Don't get me wrong, I'm amused by your little diatribe and whatnot, but it's coming off a bit silly now. Does this really bother you? Someone not paying the full amount for something, then having to later pay penalties to square that debt? Do you run around screaming at people who carry a credit card balance too? Cause that's basically what you're doing here.
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I know "You're just the same in your own way" is a textbook rationalization method so I don't blame you for resorting to it. If everyone is just as flawed, it's not really your failing, right?
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#48 Jun 19 2012 at 7:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Give it up Joph. Everyone knows not paying your taxes is the same as playing your music just a bit too loud.
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So far we have not paying your taxes to be equal to playing your music too loud, parking tickets, speeding and jaywalking!

I don't know if parking in a loading zone is actually a legal issue versus a "owner of the building having you towed" issue.
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#50 Jun 19 2012 at 7:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd be seriously ****** at myself if I'd given the government a $97K interest-free loan for all that time, personally. I don't file my taxes until April 15, because why give them a few dollars before I absolutely have to?

And I'm a freakin' liberal <insert pejorative here>.
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No. You pay because you are required to do so.

I understand that I operate under a different value system than you but, to me, paying taxes is part of "things you do as a citizen".

But you wouldn't pay them unless you were legally required to do so, right?


I would still pay them, even if it was a suggestion, and not a law, since I understand what they are for. I see them as paying for services that are needed for everyone. You know, Firemen, Policemen, Teachers, roads, etc. Things I like to have around, just in case I need them. Smiley: lol

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