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#1 Nov 22 2010 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I've been looking up a bit about the whole system and i'm curious about this. You have the option to make your class hybrid but at what cost? You surely can gain a few new abilities (thats a plus) but on the other hand you lose power on ur basic soul-line, meaning your spells-skills in that category will be less effective, right? I've been watching people claiming in enthuasiam to go xxxxx/xxxxx/xxxxx but i wonder how efficient that would be, if ur skills aren't above average level.

Personally (as a healer) i was thinking of a hybrid of 2 sub-classes to combine the advantages of both,
ie strong heals+grp heals or strong heals+hots, but giving more basis on the primary one.

Any thoughts on this?

#2 Nov 22 2010 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
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As I've told members of my guild tons of times now, 9 times out of 10 a pure build will always be better. This is all true except for a tank who needs variety if he or she is going to tank everything in the game. However a pure dps build or a pure heal build will always out damage and outheal a hybrid build.
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#3 Nov 22 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
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They built a whole system designed to make every playstyle unique and fun to that person.


I was thinking of going Ranger with some Riftwalker for defense as a pvp character... and then for PvE a healer, but who knows...

If one class has a full HP aoe heal, I want it. If another class has 1000% increased mana regeneration, I want that too.
It all depends on what you want to do, see? :P
#4 Nov 22 2010 at 9:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally prefer the purity route but the hybrids that you described make sense, so I can only hope that both options will be evenly matched so that just to have a fighting chance you don't have to turn into some cookie cutter/min-max character that pretty much everyone else is be it a hybrid or a pure class.
#5 Nov 22 2010 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Allow me to elaborate a bit, pure builds are almost always better for PvE whereas the hybrids tend stand more of a chance in PvP if built properly.
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#6 Nov 22 2010 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Hybridization can be a good idea but if you do play a hybrid class I would recommend just doing two classes. With the current maximum amount of points you can get 51(correct me if I'm wrong here) seems too little to be able to spread them into three different classes and still be efficient. Although yes, in many cases purity does seem like the better way to go even if it generally is going to be a pretty dull and boring build.
#7 Nov 22 2010 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Well keep in mind even if you put 1 point into another soul you get all of their basic passives for that soul type. So if you can spare 2 points in pure builds (as in the 51 point skill for that class isn't really that great) then sometimes its better to toss them into 2 other soul trees just for the passives.
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#8 Nov 22 2010 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Kinsume wrote:
As I've told members of my guild tons of times now, 9 times out of 10 a pure build will always be better. This is all true except for a tank who needs variety if he or she is going to tank everything in the game. However a pure dps build or a pure heal build will always out damage and outheal a hybrid build.


That's not 100% sure. It depends on the gameplay you need. For example for Pve a pure tank is needed ok, but in pvp that tank might find some other abilities quite useful that change the course of battle ( in that case hybrid>pure). For healing, as i see this, in pve a hybrid can take on a pure single healerer, maybe not fully (or we dont even know for sure yet) provided he uses both hots-grp heals or single-hots or etc. For pvp i really dont think a pure healer is the choice to go since u lose a lot of utility.
#9 Nov 22 2010 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I think its a situational type thing like for instance if your looking into mage classes at the top of your list you might get some nice spells/traits but will those help in what your about to do? maybe in a different tree you could find something from another calling that increases your crit or spell damage by a nice amount its just gonna take some time with a calculator to really see what benefits you the most as a DPS mage but im sure with tanks you will definately see alot of hybrids healers ehh hard to say but purity will probably be key to getting the higher tiered heals
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#10 Nov 22 2010 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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ArchaonZ wrote:
Kinsume wrote:
As I've told members of my guild tons of times now, 9 times out of 10 a pure build will always be better. This is all true except for a tank who needs variety if he or she is going to tank everything in the game. However a pure dps build or a pure heal build will always out damage and outheal a hybrid build.


That's not 100% sure. It depends on the gameplay you need. For example for Pve a pure tank is needed ok, but in pvp that tank might find some other abilities quite useful that change the course of battle ( in that case hybrid>pure). For healing, as i see this, in pve a hybrid can take on a pure single healerer, maybe not fully (or we dont even know for sure yet) provided he uses both hots-grp heals or single-hots or etc. For pvp i really dont think a pure healer is the choice to go since u lose a lot of utility.


You misread what I said first of all, I stated that a tank being a pure build was a bad idea that you wanted to be a hybrid in order to be best suited for all encounters. And yes I clarified in another reply above these ones that depending on what you're doing, PvP or PvE, one is better than the other.
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#11 Nov 22 2010 at 10:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Indeed Kinsume you 're right i missed that, and i can say i missed your reply as well, i saw that later when mine was posted already. It's getting late, think I should take a break. Thanks for the replies and advice.
#12 Nov 22 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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From what I understand, one of the drives to spec into other souls is for the abilities/utility. Like in their class explanation video: I am a night blade, I deal awesome melee damage, but have trouble when things run away, so i spec'd into the ranger abilities to deal with that.

Sure you could spec only in night blade and be awesome in melee range, but when things run away.. you'll have to chase and take a risk.


Food for thought. Personally I like the uniqueness it will bring to the world.
#13 Nov 27 2010 at 10:41 PM Rating: Good
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I think i will enjoy using a hybrid for my tank and caster. Basically make it what i want it to be.
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#14 Nov 27 2010 at 11:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think there will be advantages to both. On one hand Purity means you'll beable to advance your first soul in ways someone hybriding will never beable to do. On the other hand being hybrid however allows having two different types of damage(melee and ranged, elemental and disease, ect.) means if your opponent is strong against one and weak against other you'd be more effective than someonw who could only do the damage the opponent is strong against.

It'll definatly be interesting to see how it all pans out and what people choose for their souls.
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#15 Nov 29 2010 at 3:39 AM Rating: Good
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Being Hybrid in Rift will bring benefit to all aspects of the game, BUT a pureclass will be stronger in PvE content knowing the weaknesses of the mobs and bosses the he/she will encounter !!
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#16 Nov 29 2010 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Looking at the recent gameplay videos, there is no room for purity, instead its best to have several custom tailored templates for different situations. For example, a tank will have AoE builds, Single target builds, etc. It takes literally 3 seconds to swap builds, the only requirement being that you are out of combat.

Also, they are looking at making highly specialized souls as well, with only 10 skills or so. Rift is all about the hybridization, and tailoring your class to your group situation.

Its definitely going to be weird not hearing people complain how one class is better than the other.
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#17 Nov 29 2010 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I get the impression from the gameplay videos I've seen that usually most of the points are in one soul with just a few sprinkled in the other 2 for a few additional useful abilities, so it looks like there isn't a problem with distributing the 51 points among 3 souls. It looks like there will be useful abilities you can get with your first few points spent in a soul. I can't, offhand, remember seeing a truly hybrid distribution...ya'll correct me if my memory is faulty or if you've seen something I haven't.
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