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#1 Nov 30 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
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I get the feeling I'm in a minority when it comes to MMOs, but I never, ever use voice chat in games. I so don't want to hear the IRL voice of the character my character is playing with. One of the things I've really enjoyed in the past was doing raiding in WoW with a guild that did it old-school...typing and emoting, no voice chat. It really helped the game to stay immersive and game-like for me. What may be hard to find in the future is a game with a big enough population of serious, mature players who also eschew voice chat.
So, can ya'll tell me, are there any others out there, or am I alone?
#2 Nov 30 2010 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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I applaud your desire to want to play pure, however I simply cannot do it. The DK Class Leader/Officer in my WoW guild is deaf, and as such she doesn't use vent and she does quite well, but I can't imagine an entire raid doing it. I have everything bound, so to completely stop what I'm doing to issue directions in a raid or group could be the difference in defeating the monsters or running back to my corpse.

I don't mind hearing my guild mates voices. I have vent normalized so I don't have any incredibly loud or quiet people. I also have nearly all of my fellow officers Cell#'s and We chat on the phone when we can't on vent.

Good luck in your endeavors and may you find a text only guild.
#3 Nov 30 2010 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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You do bring up some good points, shortcomings of trying to raid using only text. We certainly did occasionally get bogged down while our guild leader typed out things most of us already knew for someone new to the instance...that was tiresome. Maybe I'll spend some time trying to think out how text-only communication can work for a raiding guild. Hmmmm...that'll take some thought.
#4 Nov 30 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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If I had to do it txt only I would macro instructions into key bindings. Would be a lot of upfront work, but would minimize the in combat work.

Something like a boss that does a Ae Stomp then Breath Attack would be
/party Stomp followed by Breath! Top Tank off and Everyone Behind the monster!

or
/party Phase 2 INC! Keep to the Edges and Avoid the floating ice. Spread out when he inhales.


Macros would be the only way I see it happening, but then you'd have to memorize where the specific key is bound and make sure you have the right ones up for the right fight.
#5 Nov 30 2010 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I think our GL did eventually invest the time into doing those and it helped things along. I guess I could deal with voice chat if I managed to find pleasant, like-minded folks to raid with.
#6 Nov 30 2010 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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For the unpleasant people... that is what mute is for. We have a few 14 year old boys in my wow guild, and they start getting a bit hyper/excited on vent and quickly find that no one is responding to them. I may be petty but there are some people that I just can't tolerate their voice so I save myself the headache. Fortunately none of the other officers or gm's annoy me.
#7 Nov 30 2010 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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I just can't see myself ever raiding without vent. Most raid encounters are becoming more active in that they require a whole raid to be paying attention and tho never raided in WoW in AoC the raid leaders are always needing to call things on the fly or adjust strats mid fight in order to get the kill. I mean it could get done text only if you have a full raid of people really paying attention, a guild leader binding anything he needs to say really fast and hope that people are reading the chat box while trying to pay attention to their job in the raid.
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#8 Nov 30 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Good
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I try not to use VOIP for games, but inevitably, if you want to raid you're going to have to succumb to at least listening.

So I end up doing half and half. Half the time I can run around in blissful ignorance of what my group/raidmates sound like and the other half I know that X sounds like a whiny 14 year old who just learned the f-word was "cool" even though he's supposed to be 30+ with kids.
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#9 Nov 30 2010 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree about the 50% thing, if I don't have to be in vent I probably won't be. But if I don't know a specific encounter I will be there. And of course I wouldn't do it with random pugs, just guildies. If I don't like them I'll just find another guild that better fits my personality/goals.

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#10 Nov 30 2010 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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I only use voice chat for raids, or for any social event in my guild. I'm not one who sits on a voice chat just to talk. I actually don't like that. If I'm on I usually just listen. For guild runs in an instance, I may some times pop in on the teamspeak chat just to make it more fun, and less monotonous.

That said, I use skype to talk to my brother and my cousin. I wonder if that counts ;)
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#11 Nov 30 2010 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree with Entoc. If I know a raid or quest then I won't be in voice chat. If I need a laugh late at night is when I log in most. You will rarely find me talking in voice.
#12 Nov 30 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Voice chat maximizes group strategy and the effectiveness of a team overall, typing takes away from being able to communicate on the fly and make vital adjustments needed during events.

VoIP all the way!
#13 Nov 30 2010 at 10:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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I personally cant imagine doing raids without VOIP of some sort, Text just doesnt get peoples attention the way someone yelling over comms does. :)

for Raids or guild groups I use comms, everything else is text.
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#14 Nov 30 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good
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I personally don't raid but I was in a FFXIV guild that heavily encouraged the use of voice chat..and it really turned me off, mainly because there are those personalities types that just have to be front and center at all times and I'm generally a quiet person, it just rubbed me the wrong way..

Groups are waaay more efficient though, so it's almost a necessary evil at this point it seems.
#15 Dec 01 2010 at 1:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I feel like in game voice chat is what separates hardcore gamers from casual gamers. Coming from a pvp standpoint, it is hard to come up with real time strategies and adjustments over text and implement them in a timely fashion without hindering yourself. In Age of Conan, we would have weekly sieges against other guilds and the fact that it was 48 vs 48 made programs like Ventrillo a requirement.

As far as PVE, I dont' think that in game chat is necessary unless you are raiding with more than 6 people. I leveled up a 32 Pugilist, Phys rank 38 character in Final Fantasy 14 w/o using any type of in game voice chat.
#16 Dec 01 2010 at 6:46 AM Rating: Good
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Lots of interesting thoughts to mull over...looks like if I want to advance to end-game, I'll have to submit to voice chat. As ya'll have suggested, I can find a guild of folks whom I actually enjoy communicating with.
#17 Dec 01 2010 at 9:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Isilde wrote:
Lots of interesting thoughts to mull over...looks like if I want to advance to end-game, I'll have to submit to voice chat. As ya'll have suggested, I can find a guild of folks whom I actually enjoy communicating with.


Thats the most important part. My guild is in between games waiting on Rift and you can still find a handful of people on vent. We LIKE talking to each other, and this is an important feature for me. If I can't stand being in your vent I don't want to be in your guild.
#18 Dec 01 2010 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Alot of times I do hate Vent et.al especailly after a long day of work alot of times I have no desire to get in vent just to run some instance. That said for raids its really really handy so for me chat = yes at least while raiding.

Trying to heal / Call out for mana and so on durring an intense fight ... heh I used to do it with 1 billion macros back in EQ but I really prefer chat for that stuff
#19 Dec 03 2010 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I think voicechat is really nice, especially because you really get to know the other players.
Plus its much easier to just say something, instead of typing.
#20 Dec 03 2010 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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You just need to turn korean and get your APM to 300 to raid without voice chat. It's so simple!

Nah more seriously MMO's for me are a very social thing with long term IRL friends so vent/voice chat is almost a necessity, plus i'm not korean and my APM sucks.
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#21 Dec 03 2010 at 6:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I've used Vent and Teamspeak for both EQ2, WOW and WAR and voice over text/macro's. I'ts so much faster and easier to communicate to a live human being than to stop and type a message out even if you have macro's setup, it's still a pain.

In WoW (World of Warcraft), raiding in 40mans in pre BC and 25mans raids in Post BC were communicated mostly on teamspeak or vent, as you could not handle just looking at Guild chat and saying Attack trash mob here, range dps, mele dps... it was horrible and disorganized but some players like that way of playing.

Voice was mostly used back then over chat but some would differ on that pov.

Now in WAR it was essential to use VOICE over text chatting since the endgame was mostly RVR (Realm vs Realm), so you had to be prepared in your Guild group or Generic groups to rush to a flag spot on the map at any given moment or to spot spys sending signals to the enemy that there was a HUGE group moving on such Castle/Monument/Flag. In order to take a land in it's entirety we had to communicate with each Group leader, especially if the opposing team was attacking our Main city through the portal which became mini instances/ques to get in.

Again, Voice chat was essential in that type of gameplay so overall I would say in my own opinion that Voice chatting supercede's any all other chat methods in MMO's.

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#22 Dec 09 2010 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
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you're not alone... I used to refuse to use vent when I played wow back in the day since I didn't have a headset and my girlfriend was always asleep during raid times... I thoroughly enjoyed having no idea what was going on haha. luckily I was a warlock and we we're doing MC so it was no biggie.

The only reason raids usually don't work without VENT is because there usually isn't a full raid of completely competent people. For 20 people to complete a difficult raid without actually talking, the WHOLE raid needs to be extremely skilled and paying attention. All it takes to break concentration is 1 second of mom/wife/GF aggro, but then again all it takes is one second of your guild leader screaming your name for messing up to snap back to attention and doing your job. SO narrow it down to how many people in your raid have A.D.D and how many aren't exactly thoroughly skilled players, subtract that number from how big your raid is, by then you only have 3/4 of a raid that are actually competent... take vent out of the equation and you've got yourself a real problem =\

I did however see no vent work before. my room mate was in an all asian guild but no one spoke the same language. They would do write-ups/maps of a strategy and make the whole guild study it the night before a raid. If you didn't study and messed up the raid then you got the boot instantly. Interestingly enough they managed to be top 20 in progression for the first year of wow

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#23 Dec 09 2010 at 9:48 PM Rating: Decent
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High end raiding and pvp will almost always benefit from using voice chat software. If it is not provided with the game, players will have to use 3rd party applications in order to have it... Which may not be a big deal, since most players probably will anyways because the quality is usually better in applications like Ventrilo.
#24 Dec 10 2010 at 1:28 AM Rating: Decent
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i dont use my vent much but is on if required...
kinda like to hear who the other players are...and mainly a irl picture thread to see who i actually am playing with..not that it makes a difference...people are who they are no matter voice and looks...as long they are friendly..
do this forum have irl pic thread???
#25 Dec 10 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I think voice chat is more situational, at least for me. Like, if I am doing a complex raid with some new members. I prefer to go in Vent so I can explain fights or help give assistance to those who need. But I'm just as equally capable of typing them out depending on the complexities. Often, I'll go in vent just to chat with a few close guild mates that I group with often instead of watching chat on my screen - especially if I am out soloing or crafting.



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#26 Dec 11 2010 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Since developer time is limited, I don't want them wasting their time on internal voice chat unless there really is nothing else for them to be working on.
#27 Dec 11 2010 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I think voice chat is extremely important in mmo's. Its a great way to catch people afk'ing in raids. Its also a great way to keep communication strong. But at the same time there were definately people in my last guild that i had turned down to a bare minimum because of their naggy voice was like fingernails on a chalk board!
#28 Dec 12 2010 at 1:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Voice chat is required for me these days, if I'm going to do any difficult encounters. The teamwork and reaction times are just raised by so much when being able to talk over vent or whatever.
#29 Dec 12 2010 at 5:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I hear ya, it can be more fun to imagine your fellow toons are actual beings in and of themselves.. it sure makes it easier to RP or just pretend that your character is a real person too, but the frustration of dying just pushes me over the edge. I can't take any team game seriously without voice chat. Besides, I've made a lot of good friends from people I've met in games.. and most of that wouldn't be possible with text only.
#30 Dec 12 2010 at 11:38 AM Rating: Decent
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jmav wrote:
Since developer time is limited, I don't want them wasting their time on internal voice chat unless there really is nothing else for them to be working on.


I completely agree Jmav. I'd prefer seeing the developers/programmers spending time in the meat of the game instead of internal voice chat. The reason I don't feel that it should be a high priority is there are so many Voice Chat options nowadays anyway (Vent, Teamspeak, Skype, Netmeeting) and the list can go on and on. Problem with Voice Chat and it being implemented into any game is the amount of Trouble Tickets essentially it could populate to their Tech Team.

Why? Voice Over Internet is one of the first things you will notice when you are having internet issues. i.e. Your bandwidth/pings. It's why you see some people dropping out of vent and reconnecting or you hear voice distortions when they are talking. This is an issue on the gamers end (Internet Provider) not the actual game or program but you and I both know how many tickets would evolve from such a program.

What I'd rather see is maybe RIFT working with one Ventrillo or Teamspeak provider and possibly being able to get a discount on Voice Services versus implementing it into the game.



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#31 Dec 12 2010 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Good point, but with the level of polish this game already has coming out of Alpha, they might even run out of things to do in between beta events!

...okay that's probably not too likely, but I would love to see them work on an in-game voice chat system that you can enable among party members. If they patched that in somewhere down the line it could only improve the gameplay experience and make grouping with people you don't already know much more fun.
#32 Dec 12 2010 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Sounds like you may have issues with social anxiety. This is a treatable issue, but you have to get out there and get the help. Don't stay locked in your moms basement forever. Also it is not that vent is required for raids, most knuckle-dragging/ mouth breathing mmo drones can follow text emotes or a simply drawn out raid plan, especially with todays ezmode pve. Voice chat is there to provide another social layer in a social gaming sphere. Go play DnD without using your voice and tell me how fun that is.
#33 Dec 12 2010 at 6:03 PM Rating: Decent
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jmav wrote:
Since developer time is limited, I don't want them wasting their time on internal voice chat unless there really is nothing else for them to be working on.


That's what ventrilo is for.
#34 Dec 12 2010 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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it took me while to appreciate voice chat
I found when I was playing later at night after long days, that I would get zoned out and start missing chat spam from the group etc.
voice chat solves that to a large extent at least for me.
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#36 Dec 12 2010 at 10:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree, at 3 AM who wants to read chat? VC for the win.
#37 Dec 13 2010 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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Mom's basement? Really?
As you said, voice chat is not required for raids, and is there to provide another social layer which I choose to eschew. I'm into MMOs more to enjoy playing with my husband (Yes, he and I own the basement rather than being locked inside by our supposed social limitations.) and a few select personable folks whom I enjoy. I'm not in it to find a date or anything. I find the typed chat of too many MMO players to be profane, crass, or just downright vulgar, and that's bad enough. But, I find it easier to avoid looking at words on the screen that I don't want to see than to try to stop hearing what ugliness is being shouted in my ear. Hence my avoidance of voice chat.
Go try to play DnD without using your pen and paper and tell me how fun it is. (If your mom will let you out of the basement, that is.)
#38 Dec 13 2010 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I play for the social aspect and i think voice chat truly enhances that. is voice chat necessary... of course not but it makes the game easier and more social at the same time.
#39 Dec 13 2010 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
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While I played EQ1 without any voice chat, raids were carefully choreographed events, everyone was trained what to do and when.
But today when combat spam is flashing past, you are tracking timers, health bars and watching for triggers and cast effects you need to counter. Well then I have ZERO time to read what someone typed.
As to my typing to you, I may be fast-ish, I am NOT a typist.

So which would you rather have?

Voice: Adds coming from the South

OR

Chat: A-d-d-s c-o-m-i-n ARRRGH! splat
#40 Dec 14 2010 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
I would have agreed with you a few years ago but now that I am used to Vent or other ingame voice features I just cannot imagine doing without it.. especially for raiding. I admit I also type a lot at work so having the option of typing verse talking while playing the game I'll certainly pick talking lol. :)
#41 Dec 14 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I think voice chat is really helpfull.

But I want to have the choice, so I don't like when mmo put this in the game options. I prefer use Teamspeak when I want to.
#42 Jan 12 2012 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Silent Epidemic does not use voice chat. They are a defiant guild on Faeblight.
There's also a site for no voice chat gamers. http://silentguilds.com
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