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#1 Jan 31 2011 at 7:42 PM Rating: Good
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I have been around MMOs since EQ and have always been a raider or PvPer depending on the game, but more raider lately as I grow older into my middle age lol. Late late friday night probably early Sat morning more like it 2 people I had met while doing a Epic boss fight were just sitting around talking, 2 of us were WoW raiders the other an EQ2 raider, and a rather pleasent insight came to me as we were talking about Rift, the roles, and how the raiding might be.

As all of us know or have been through in each raid whether it be 10 man 20 man 24 man etc there is always limited slots for melee dps, tanks healers you know the deal. Well raid time comes and 2 ranged dps are no shows everyone is like sh*t this sucks anyone have a ranged toon, no mine is only 84 or mine is not geared yet on and on. Well anyhow as we talked about all these things it hit me hard, on my rogue my main role is melee but my other role is ranged, same level same decent gear like wtf we need a ranged slot well hold on let me push this 2 second button, bam I am now ranged.

Is this groundbreaking I don't know nor really care but the implications are huge long term from a raiding standpoint, no longer should there be lack of any class to be able to do want we want to in the game, I am not sure if I typed this out quite right what is in my mind but **** let me throw it out there.

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 8:44pm by Dreadblade
#2 Jan 31 2011 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think I got my idea across quite right lol, oh well
#3 Jan 31 2011 at 9:02 PM Rating: Good
I think, you were trying to say:
Due to the Class system, no raid should have to be like "Oh snap, we don't have any Range (Rogues)!?!"
A Rogue or 2 can step up and save the day with "Oh **** yos, let me just swap spec here. I can be a Range DPS"

But I don't see it being game changing. WoW has had it's dual spec system going for awhile now (not counting people just respecing back in the day before the system was added). You are still going to get people who want to play Warrior but not be a Tank..ever.
Or a Priest who wants to be a DPS and couldn't heal to save themselves.

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#4 Jan 31 2011 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent
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correct that is a lot shorter and to the point version lol, but even with WoWs dual spec a warrior is still a warrior either dps or tank, a rogue is either Mut or combat but still dps, here you can be just about anything you want and still be on your favorite toon, maybe not doing what you like best but still saving the raid from not happening.

For whatever reason I have this mental block of trying to type what I am thinking right now lol
#5 Jan 31 2011 at 9:19 PM Rating: Good
He is right though. Especially for Cataclysm in WoW. For some of the current raids, **** even some of the heroics you are screwed with to much melee. Or if you have no melee to stand near Magmaw it goes both ways. Mostly its the melee like my Ret that get screwed this teir. Liek early BC. Seems like Blizz forgot one of their own lessons.

I think you have a good point OP. :)
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#6 Jan 31 2011 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Shojindo, Hero of Orgrimmar wrote:
He is right though. Especially for Cataclysm in WoW. For some of the current raids, **** even some of the heroics you are screwed with to much melee. Or if you have no melee to stand near Magmaw it goes both ways. Mostly its the melee like my Ret that get screwed this teir. Liek early BC. Seems like Blizz forgot one of their own lessons.

I think you have a good point OP. :)



Yes I think that is exactly what I was trying to say as well, no longer do you have to be shafted out of a raid because your are melee or ranged etc. I feel your pain man my two mians are a fury warrior and Mut Rogue and we did get the big shaft. I read somewhere that some uber raiding guild actually sat all the melee to complete 2/3 of the new raids
#7 Jan 31 2011 at 9:31 PM Rating: Good
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I read somewhere that some uber raiding guild actually sat all the melee to complete 2/3 of the new raids


Oh I believe it. Most of the crazy hardcore progression guilds stacked all the broken DPS, healer, or tank classes to blow up the new content. Who can blame them really? Fortunately for me I am in a casual raid guild atm and they wish I would log on more becuase I hold my own.

After playing Rift though I just don't feel like logging in. >.>

I was already so bored with all the new heroics and raiding 4-5 nights a week is just not for me anymore.
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#8 Jan 31 2011 at 9:35 PM Rating: Good
Shojindo, Hero of Orgrimmar wrote:
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I read somewhere that some uber raiding guild actually sat all the melee to complete 2/3 of the new raids


Oh I believe it. Most of the crazy hardcore progression guilds stacked all the broken DPS, healer, or tank classes to blow up the new content. Who can blame them really? Fortunately for me I am in a casual raid guild atm and they wish I would log on more becuase I hold my own.

After playing Rift though I just don't feel like logging in. >.>

I was already so bored with all the new heroics and raiding 4-5 nights a week is just not for me anymore.


All of this is the same for me lol.
I logged in the other night and played my Warrior (80). After about an hour I was just like "No..I can't do it."
logged out.
My guild was kind of happy to see my I guess, I got a lot of "hello sand!" from names I know and others I do not (I assume alts I've yet to remember).
But I socially played FFXI for about a year, and I told myself that if I ever play a MMO and only log in to talk..it is time to quit it for ever/awhile.
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#9 Jan 31 2011 at 9:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Shojindo, Hero of Orgrimmar wrote:
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I read somewhere that some uber raiding guild actually sat all the melee to complete 2/3 of the new raids


Oh I believe it. Most of the crazy hardcore progression guilds stacked all the broken DPS, healer, or tank classes to blow up the new content. Who can blame them really? Fortunately for me I am in a casual raid guild atm and they wish I would log on more becuase I hold my own.

After playing Rift though I just don't feel like logging in. >.>

I was already so bored with all the new heroics and raiding 4-5 nights a week is just not for me anymore.


LOL I missed 3 raids since last Tuesday, I logged in today to say goodbye to everyone, then logged right out.
#10 Jan 31 2011 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
Shojindo, Hero of Orgrimmar wrote:
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I read somewhere that some uber raiding guild actually sat all the melee to complete 2/3 of the new raids


Oh I believe it. Most of the crazy hardcore progression guilds stacked all the broken DPS, healer, or tank classes to blow up the new content. Who can blame them really? Fortunately for me I am in a casual raid guild atm and they wish I would log on more becuase I hold my own.

After playing Rift though I just don't feel like logging in. >.>

I was already so bored with all the new heroics and raiding 4-5 nights a week is just not for me anymore.


All of this is the same for me lol.
I logged in the other night and played my Warrior (80). After about an hour I was just like "No..I can't do it."
logged out.
My guild was kind of happy to see my I guess, I got a lot of "hello sand!" from names I know and others I do not (I assume alts I've yet to remember).
But I socially played FFXI for about a year, and I told myself that if I ever play a MMO and only log in to talk..it is time to quit it for ever/awhile.


I have no real experience in this field but IMO MMO's kind of fall under the umbrella that you are allowed to let that happen. You made friends that you enjoy talking to and you are playing a game with them. It's more pleasant to play with you than people who act like the game is the test to get into Elysium and if you actually want to enjoy yourself ***** you. If you are just sitting in town talking and not even playing then yes get their emails or phone numbers and move on but as long as you are still playing a little...
I can see where you are coming from though just figured I would add my two cents :P
#11 Feb 01 2011 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
Yea, I wasn't even playing. I tried to tank on my Warrior, but it didn't feel right. So I jut sat in town and talked to them for a while until I got hungry XD
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#12 Feb 01 2011 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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It will depend on gear... a rogue specced for dps might be able to swap to a tank at a moment's notice, but without tank gear on hand it won't do him much good :P.

But yes, the options are there, and I also think it is a very good thing.
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#13 Feb 01 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nothing beats the 72 man Plane of Time raids in EverQuest. Collecting up, coordinating and running a raid at that point in the genre was a sheer act of will! No Ventrillo, heck - it wasn't until Planes of Power that we even had a 'raid group' UI. (Rogue's group was always 'loot' group)

No wonder I can type 100+ wpm. Smiley: nod
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#14 Feb 01 2011 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
64 Person Dynamis Bastok in FFXI. No Vent. Leader had all commands premacroed. Each job had a leader for that job responsible for them not being complete tards lol. Computers back then just could not handle that at all. I remember one time we agroed all the gobs near the elevators. Raid was stacked up trying not to do just that.

I could only see about every 2-5 people who would blink into and out of existence for short periods of time. Then a gobby would materialize out of the void and thwack! Dead.

Good times? Only when colored by the veil of nostalgia. :)

My lag in Rift has been very good so far, especially considering some of the crazy zonewide invasions. But my PC is pretty beast atm.



Edited, Feb 1st 2011 10:23am by Shojindo
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#15 Feb 01 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
Shojindo, Hero of Orgrimmar wrote:
64 Person Dynamis Bastok in FFXI. No Vent. Leader had all commands premacroed. Each job had a leader for that job responsible for them not being complete tards lol. Computers back then just could not handle that at all. I remember one time we agroed all the gobs near the elevators. Raid was stacked up trying not to do just that.

I could only see about every 2-5 people who would blink into and out of existence for short periods of time. Then a gobby would materialize out of the void and thwack! Dead.

Good times? Only when colored by the veil of nostalgia. :)

My lag in Rift has been very good so far, especially considering some of the crazy zonewide invasions. But my PC is pretty beast atm.


Dynamis on Dial-Up..heck even 10mans in WoW on dial-up...
Was a hard life Smiley: sly
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#16 Feb 01 2011 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Kaasha wrote:
Nothing beats the 72 man Plane of Time raids in EverQuest. Collecting up, coordinating and running a raid at that point in the genre was a sheer act of will! No Ventrillo, heck - it wasn't until Planes of Power that we even had a 'raid group' UI. (Rogue's group was always 'loot' group)

No wonder I can type 100+ wpm. Smiley: nod


LoL this was epic, and i remember it vividly.

As for dial-up, eiw.
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#17 Feb 01 2011 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
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As for dial-up, eiw.


The downside of living out of town.
However the company that does dialup/cable in our town changed their slogan a year or so back to say (well say something like this); "We guarantee cable to all homes in the [my town] area!"
When they came out to the house and told us "No, sorry"...we pretty much put them on their word and they had to run cable wires underground to our house Smiley: grin
All is good now.
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#18 Feb 01 2011 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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We did Plane of Growth first I think and yes it was epic
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