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Warrior DW DPS- Riftblade vs ParagonFollow

#1 Feb 28 2011 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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As the title suggests I am looking for input from people with experience in the later game (20+ really) as to what is the higher DPS DW Warrior build, Riftblade or Paragon. I am currently running a Paragon/Riftblade/Champion build with a focus on Riftblade because I enjoy the playstyle (right now) and the thought of being a kind of melee mage just makes me happy.

Anyone have parses or experience with one or both of the DW souls and can say, not necessarily 100%, but comfortably say that one has higher DPS than the other or if they are comparable?


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#2 Mar 01 2011 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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I played a paragon/champ/riftblade up to level 25 with a heavy focus on paragon, tried both focusing on their range aspect and melee aspect with a good gear set and found it rather lacking. I changed over to a heavy focus on riftblade instead and noticed a large increase in damage output in speed and numbers being higher. Used the same gear set to compare and played riftblade up to 28 and noticed everything is just faster. Also allows more sustained and higher damage in pvp and allows me to kill almost anyone who doesnt havnt a healer. I switched back to paragon at 28 to try it again and it just seems like its overall lacking, kind of disappointing because i was super hyped to be a crazy dual wielding warrior that got up in everyones face.....

#3 Mar 01 2011 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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So Riftblades aren't intended to be an in your face dual wielding menace?

I just checked and it does seem that the ranged attacks do more damage than the melee ones...does that mean that I should be using a sword and board rather than dual wielding?

Wouldn't you get overall more damage if you were dual wielding and up close to the opponent rather than using a sword and board or away from the enemy using your ranged abilities?

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 2:53pm by Katchii
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#4 Mar 01 2011 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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why do you think DW would be the preferred method at all? Looks to me like its designed for 2Handers.
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Never really thought about it from a 2H perspective, I just wanted to play as DW so that's how I wrapped my brain around it.

You make a good point though...so now the question is how does a DW Riftblade compare to a 2H Riftblade?

Unless the differences are so substantial that it shows 2H is clearly superior I'll stay with DW just because I like the way my character looks. If I wanted to play a 2H DPS warrior I would have chosen Champion as my main soul.
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#6 Mar 01 2011 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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well to answer your OP paragon is the way to go. Riftblade makes a good 2nd/3rd soul for any build though.

edit: to elaborate some...

The instant attack abilities in Riftblade that say "weapon damage + X" would benefit more from a higher damage weapon such as a 2H weapon. Whereas in Paragon there are many "strike with both weapons" abilities obviously designed for DW.

Edited, Mar 1st 2011 1:09pm by KTurner
#7 Mar 01 2011 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll have to pick up a 2H weapon and test this out because your facts are correct, the "weapon damage + xx" would favor a 2H over a 1H.

Thanks for bringing that up...my Riftblade is only level 9 atm so I don't have the skills that really compete with flamespear for damage yet.
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#8 Mar 01 2011 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
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You could certainly continue to play RB with DW if thats what you want to do :P

If you want to go paragon as a main soul you could at the least put 10 pts in RB for the avatar buff, or another 5 for 5/5 static shock.
#9 Mar 02 2011 at 4:20 AM Rating: Decent
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On the subject of weapon choice, while you get the weapon bonus benefit from 2h, DW should provide more weapon procs via Elemental Flux, which may be more worthwhile if you're rolling with something like the 44 point weapon enchant for RB.
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#10 Mar 02 2011 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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Emperata wrote:
On the subject of weapon choice, while you get the weapon bonus benefit from 2h, DW should provide more weapon procs via Elemental Flux, which may be more worthwhile if you're rolling with something like the 44 point weapon enchant for RB.


Yeah but it scales with weapon damage. DW will proc it more, but 2H will proc harder.
#11 Mar 03 2011 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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On the subject of weapon choice, while you get the weapon bonus benefit from 2h, DW should provide more weapon procs via Elemental Flux, which may be more worthwhile if you're rolling with something like the 44 point weapon enchant for RB.


The level 44 Enchant does say that it will heal for 35% of the damage done by critical hits, so a 2H weapon hit would heal for more because a 2H hit will do more damage than a 1H weapon hit, however....wouldn't you get more crits by using DW rather than 2H?

Same argument for the Rift Strike Ability 38 point ability that increases crit chance by 5% for 8 seconds after use...wouldn't you get more benefit from DW than a 2H?

2H hits harder but DW gives you more hits per minute, so do those extra hits result in more damage, does it equal them out or does DW fall behind because the 2H weapons just hit so much harder?
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#12 Mar 03 2011 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Katchii wrote:
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On the subject of weapon choice, while you get the weapon bonus benefit from 2h, DW should provide more weapon procs via Elemental Flux, which may be more worthwhile if you're rolling with something like the 44 point weapon enchant for RB.


The level 44 Enchant does say that it will heal for 35% of the damage done by critical hits, so a 2H weapon hit would heal for more because a 2H hit will do more damage than a 1H weapon hit, however....wouldn't you get more crits by using DW rather than 2H?


DW will crit more often, 2H will crit harder. In the end, assuming 2 same level weapons, the healing would be the same.

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Same argument for the Rift Strike Ability 38 point ability that increases crit chance by 5% for 8 seconds after use...wouldn't you get more benefit from DW than a 2H?


Nope. DW will crit more often, but the 2H will crit harder. Net damage gain will be the same, 2.5% during that 8 sec. (melee crits are 150% right?)

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2H hits harder but DW gives you more hits per minute, so do those extra hits result in more damage, does it equal them out or does DW fall behind because the 2H weapons just hit so much harder?


In these cases they are equal.

The only time the weapon really matters is with instant abilities that do "weapon damage + X"

Heres a scenario where a fast, 1 handed weapon would be ideal. Say you have an ability that has a 35% chance to activate on hit, and that ability does 50 damage, flat. It is independent of weapon damage. You would most certainly be better off with a fast 1H weapon for that ability.

edit: To add on to this, even when dual wielding it is important to look at the average damage of weapons you are choosing. Good basic rule of thumb is to pick up slow weapons. (slow speed with same DPS = high avg damage). Like with Paragon's Dual Strike, you would increase it's damage if you used two slow one handers compared to two fast one handers.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2011 2:47pm by KTurner
#13 Mar 03 2011 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I played a DW Frost Death Knight in WoW before transferring over to Rift so I understand the mechanics perfectly for 2H vs DW and weapon choices for each, slow or fast, and how it affected my DPS.

All of this makes sense from a mathematical perspective, I was really wondering if anyone had more experience with 2H vs DW at higher levels and could difinitively say that one is better than the other from a DPS perspective. Math wise it seems that the end result would be the same DPS, just done in different ways...ie DW does 300DPS consistantly whereas 2H does 900DPS every 3 seconds so it evens out kind of deal. I'm just wondering if it actually works out that way when applied to the game.

I don't really care at this point,I'm really enjoying my DW playstyle and doing some nice DPS with it so I probbaly won't be changing it.

Thanks!
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#14 Mar 06 2011 at 8:11 PM Rating: Good
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I found that at lower levels, your Spears do way more damage than your melee attacks, even with a two-handed weapon. As such, I decided to go one-handed + board for added survivability. Spears are not based on weapon damage, so you could go unarmed if you felt like it. And stuff dies so fast anyway, I'd rather have the extra armor and block for when I get an accidental add.

Of course, at end-game, your Spears stop scaling (sorta) and you'd probably get higher DPS with a two-handed weapon.
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#15 Mar 07 2011 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
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One thing about this game that I absoulutely (intended) love right now is that DPS classes really aren't even looked at unless they are really really bad or die from something stupid. Which means that if you're doing competant, competitive DPS it doesn't really matter what exactly your numbers are because well, no one knows what numbers they are putting out because there are no meters.

All anyone really cares about is if the mob is dying too slow...if it's not, that means the DPS is good enough.

I haven't touched my Riftblade though since i started really getting into my Cleric who has a Tank, DPS and Heals spec. I didn't realize how much fun being able to do whatever you want whenever you want to in any spec you feel like would be.

OT: Also, for all those people saying Justicar is a subpar tank spec are full of crap...I've main tanked every dungeon I have been able to and the main invasion/ rift event bosses just fine.
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#16 Apr 11 2011 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry for the Necro post....but I kinda think the question is relevant again after having plenty of time for lots of people to hit 50 who have tested or seen enough of the game to answer this question with more confidence.

How different is the damage output of a DW Riftblade vs a 2H Riftblade...or even a Sword and Board Riftblade?

Also, how well do Riftblades scale at endgame and from what? Stats, weapon damage, both?

I tried Paragon for a bit on a new character and really liked it, until I switched specs to Riftblade, now I can't switch back without going....wtf was I thinking?
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