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#1 Mar 11 2011 at 10:59 AM Rating: Sub-Default
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after the new update the Warfront a now the same as WoW ones

befor this update you had no debuff for leave a warfront thats was realy nice and diffren from WoW and was one of the thinks i liket that
but not its the same as i say befor so why should i do the Warfront now with the debuff ??? when i also could do it in WoW with the same
debuff


its just sad that Rift follow the same way like WoW now with the debuff for PvP que

and like my friend say "why you shoud be punished for something that isn't your fault"
like you enter a warfront ou waited for like a few and see its hopefully lose and leave
cuz its like like hopefully lose and why get "punished" for leave that bad one then ?????


#2 Mar 11 2011 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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You think the deserter debuff is what makes the warfronts the same as WoW BGs? It wasnt the instanced battlefield, or the codex that plays exactly like Arathi Basin, but the deserter debuff is what made you come to this conclusion?

Ok.
#3 Mar 11 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Default
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well not only that like i say i liked the warfront befor

and that way with the debuff just brings the think to the limit
#4 Mar 11 2011 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't think of why this would be a problem at all. People deserting is no fun for either side. The deserted side has less man-power to try and come back. As a consequence they will die quicker and be less effective. The other side will have fewer people to kill, meaning they will have less favor than a full match.

I've never actually seen someone leave a match before, but if they can't requeue for 15 minutes, I say good riddance!
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#5 Mar 11 2011 at 11:25 AM Rating: Default
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well without the debuff it was much better even you had to wait some time till you get in a que

and why should the ppl that pay for the same stuff they could also have in WoW ???

that they had befor and well i think that debuff was allways in WoW so it not realy matter and ppl
life with it cuz they not know any diffren but in Rift it was diffren and that was may what many ppl
liket about Rift ( warfront ) if they want debuff they can also go back to like i say befor and play
that and pay for that and not stay in a game that have now the same think as they had befor i mean its

a new game so they want to get as many player as they can get for Rift and with that they make $$$$$$
with that they can make content and etc but if player leave and go back to what they had befor they lose
that money they had become befor and i saw that in diffren games and what was the end of that in the end
well it that the game sooner or later at a free play phase etc and then was gone and it would realy be sad
if that was the same with Rift :(

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well without the debuff it was much better even you had to wait some time till you get in a que

and why should the ppl that pay for the same stuff they could also have in WoW ???

... you mean like how Codex is Arathi Basin, and Whitefall is Warsong Gulch? Smiley: rolleyes

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that they had befor and well i think that debuff was allways in WoW so it not realy matter and ppl
life with it cuz they not know any diffren but in Rift it was diffren and that was may what many ppl
liket about Rift ( warfront ) if they want debuff they can also go back to like i say befor and play
that and pay for that and not stay in a game that have now the same think as they had befor i mean its

Again, so we have this straight - there is no actual benefit for people deserting. They ***** over both sides, their own more than the other. And... you feel that's a good thing?

You're also very wrong - I'm almost positive the deserter debuff was not added until TBC. I know the original battlegrounds didn't have it, and they were out for at least a year.

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a new game so they want to get as many player as they can get for Rift and with that they make $$$$$$
with that they can make content and etc but if player leave and go back to what they had befor they lose
that money they had become befor and i saw that in diffren games and what was the end of that in the end
well it that the game sooner or later at a free play phase etc and then was gone and it would realy be sad
if that was the same with Rift :(



Let me get your view correct, because your English doesn't seem clear. You seem to be saying that adding a deserter debuff to help stop people from leaving a match and ******** over both sides, will lead to a worse game, causing people to leave, and making Rift become free-to-play (which is a format perfectly successful for other games)?

... Smiley: dubious

Edited, Mar 11th 2011 12:56pm by LockeColeMA
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#7 Mar 11 2011 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let me smash my head into a wall a few times to see if what you just said makes any sense. And I'm usually the last person to hassle someone who isn't a native English speaker (I hope you're not a native English speaker) but at least try to form coherent sentences. -> . <- This thing is called a period. It's meant to notify the reader when you are ending a sentence. Try using it.

The debuff is meant as a punishment for people who leave the warfront early. If you need to leave early, it should be because you have a group or guild event or you need to log off, in which case the debuff wouldn't affect you. If you leave early because the game isn't going how you like it and you might actually have to contribute to win, you deserve the debuff.

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why you shoud be punished for something that isn't your fault


How is leaving the warfront early not your fault?

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like you enter a warfront ou waited for like a few and see its hopefully lose and leave


So if your team isn't steamrolling the enemy you want to be able to leave and get into another warfront where people are going to carry you instead of actually having to contribute. Gotcha.
#8 Mar 11 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Default
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Sorry, but it SUCKEDDDDD when I was in a Warfront and people would join then just leave. Thank god they are getting penalized for this.

It is unfortunately a catch 22 for people who honestly d/c'd, but it was required.
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Wow.

Just... wow.
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and Whitefall is Warsong Gulch?


Everyone knows blizzard invented capture the flag.
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and Whitefall is Warsong Gulch?


Everyone knows blizzard invented capture the flag.


*Shrug*

He says that Warfronts and BGs were different to start with - they weren't.

I do like Black Garden though.
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#12 Mar 11 2011 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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they stole black garden from WAR.
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imo Deserter buff should be 24hr MIN first time and a week second time
F*CK ******* who bail
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imo Deserter buff should be 24hr MIN first time and a week second time
F*CK ******* who bail


What about those who disconnect?
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#15 Mar 11 2011 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
demegod wrote:
imo Deserter buff should be 24hr MIN first time and a week second time
F*CK ******* who bail


What about those who disconnect?


**** EM!
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KTurner wrote:
LockeColeMA wrote:
demegod wrote:
imo Deserter buff should be 24hr MIN first time and a week second time
F*CK ******* who bail


What about those who disconnect?


@#%^ EM!


Giggity Smiley: wink
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#17 Mar 11 2011 at 8:46 PM Rating: Default
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well i didt some warfront and like i say it realy like them more then in WoW


and well ya the ones that dc they cant any for that and still get it and well
you can take that debuff for like walk a bit or do bio or etc cuz you been
playing all day and about the english speak and typ well ya you right its not
the best and i learn it myself kinda with some help of a friend and its most game
english that used to be speak and etc in a game that may be cuz its like it is

and well its not my main speak but i would say that i can speak it kinda good
so sorry for my not so good typ that looks to you and ya BG ( Black Garden ) is realy
nice it like it much and Codex is also but just a bit diffren
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Rico77|WH wrote:
and about the english speak and typ well ya you right its not
the best and i learn it myself kinda with some help of a friend and its most game
english that used to be speak and etc in a game that may be cuz its like it is

and well its not my main speak but i would say that i can speak it kinda good


No one's out to bash your English, assuming you're a foreigner, which seems to be the case (I salute you, fellow foreigner), it's just that your English is slightly hard to understand. Probably like my German is if I tried to communicate in that language.

If you've learned your English on your own (or with the help of a friend only), it's pretty good. I had to spend eight years in school to become this good at it.
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I've left a few Warfronts now. You can think what you want, but as a healer, sometimes i just can't take it. I don't mind losing, but when my entire team runs off in all directions, and leaves me alone at flags in codex, or they don't help me go after the fang carrier in BG .. i just leave. Warfronts are no fun when you stick around for that 500 -03 score, only to not get any help from your team.


/on topic: The OP forgot to mention Warhammer. BG is just like that one Scenario we did in tier 2. Exactly.
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I was in Black Garden today and found out there's a spot on the wall leading away from the spawn area where if you fall off, you never hit the ground. You just hang there suspended in mid-air and can't move. Not a great place to get stuck, since your only chance of getting out is (maybe) for some numbnuts on your team to drag the fang all the way up where you get hardly any points and try to turtle, and then hope that the other team sees you but doesn't realize your predicament and kills you so you can respawn.

That, or use the "I'M STUCK" button in the support menu, which in my case today punted me from the warfront to the last porticulum I had unlocked which happened to have been the one in Knight's Stand in eastern Freemarch. oh, and with the deserter debuff.

A bit irritating.

That's a one-off situation however, and it's a small price to pay to keep people from queue hopping when things aren't going their way. It took a long time for me to adjust to life in instanced PvP scenarios starting with WoW and moving on to Rift and now I rather enjoy them. Even when we're getting steamrolled because too many people on my team have no idea WTF they're supposed to be doing. I came in to a Black Garden match today just barely after the match had started and at one point we were down 200-20 and we managed the win with a final score of (I kid you not) 500-498.

The thing is, when you queue for a warfront, you're taking a spot on a team and you win or lose as a team. it doesn't matter if they're all strangers, all idiots, or all of the above. When you bail on a group because you're losing, someone else gets pulled in from the queue to take your spot. It's more than a little selfish to put someone in that position. They waited in the queue just like you did. You got a chance to start the match fresh. It doesn't matter if you were the superstar on a team full of scrubs. You win some and you lose some and that's just the way it goes. Buck up. Be a good sport. And if what is happening in the warfront is making you just so miserable that you can't bear the thought of spending another second in it, then by all means leave. You're better off waiting out the 15 minute debuff than subjective yourself to massive frustration and irritation.

With no penalty for leaving midway through, it's altogether too easy to be a jerk and play the lone wolf hoping for the lucky match that will get you the win you're looking for. Queue hoppers can go **** themselves.
#21 Mar 12 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Default
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well ya and sometimes you got to tell ppl where to go and stay there



i had that also when i had a few warfronts all run of to some place else
and not stay at where they should be but in the end like i say you got to
tell ppl what to do or where to be cuz most just do it the first time or not
know what or where to be and as you may saw in BG get the one that have the
Fang and knock him out and get the fang and try your best heal him as much you
can may take it yourself and self heal you if you can may putt a shield up if you
can etc and keep the fang or heal the fang holder as long you can but anyway ya i
have learn my englĂ­sh kinda only with help of my friend and a lot of asking what what
mean and so and i think it was or is like i think 4 or 5 year now that i have start
learn it and i didt it the normal way not like others may do with cd's oe books or etc
and payt $$$ for it well sure it takes a bit longer but thats what free think a they take
some time sometimes but ya some warfront a just bad and cant realy be turn but try and do what
you can and if its still lose you can still leave and may get a drink or some food or else etc ....

#22 Mar 12 2011 at 9:39 PM Rating: Default
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WF design is terrible right now and a lot of people in my guild have quit them altogether. We enjoy some casual PvP probably reason we are on a pve server. But sometimes 2-3 of us will queue and we just got ROFLstomped because every match is against premades from the premier pvp guild on one of the pvp servers in our group. Until they fix it so you cant play pug vs premade we all just turn on our macros and go grab a sandwich. Its not fun losing every single match 500-27 and never getting more than 3 kills while they all have 30+ each. So either fix it so premades can play other premades or we will just continue to AFK.
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So either fix it so premades can play other premades or we will just continue to AFK.


I don't think Trion reads these forums. Smiley: um
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So either fix it so premades can play other premades or we will just continue to AFK.

I don't think Trion reads these forums. Smiley: um

He's also not going to win any sympathy points from the posters here. Way to kill your own cause.
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WF design is terrible right now and a lot of people in my guild have quit them altogether. We enjoy some casual PvP probably reason we are on a pve server. But sometimes 2-3 of us will queue and we just got ROFLstomped because every match is against premades from the premier pvp guild on one of the pvp servers in our group. Until they fix it so you cant play pug vs premade we all just turn on our macros and go grab a sandwich. Its not fun losing every single match 500-27 and never getting more than 3 kills while they all have 30+ each. So either fix it so premades can play other premades or we will just continue to AFK.


So if you're queuing as a group of 2-3, what's the difference between what you're doing and a queuing with a full group?

I'd rather see Trion roll back AFKers (that includes you) and leave group queuing the way it is. And this is coming from someone who solo queues 99% of the time. If I find myself in a match with a well coordinated premade, we get steamrolled every single time. I was in a Black Garden the other day where I'd fine running around doing my thing and then BOOM! It was like every single Guardian player in the instance turned on me all at once.

Which is exactly what they did. I got stuck with a long rez timer and was watching health bars and it was focus fire at its fines. Everyone on my team would be at full health and then one person would drop to dead in about 3 seconds. Then the next. And the next. And the next.

And the counter is to not re-queue immediately after the match is over or form your own premade.
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This is a good thing is stops people from joining and leaving just cuz were losing, Keeps population up in every Warfront instead of just the population of the winning teams up
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I'd rather see Trion roll back AFKers (that includes you)


Oh how I long for that news posting.

I've gotten to the point where if I queue and see half my team AFK (this happens more often than you'd think) I just don't queue anymore for the evening.

There are people I've been reporting for 30+ levels that I'm still seeing AFKing their way through warfronts.

I'll do a little happy dance when they all get rolled back all the way to level 10
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If you want to get technical here.

Capture the Flag was stolen from kindergarteners.

Capturing bases for resources/tickets was stolen from First Person Shooters.

Invading bases and killing commanders was stolen from ancient warfare :-p

Holding a relic-thingy and getting points was stolen from...ehh...yeah...warhammer. Did I mention I loved those scenarios?


I'm not a Rift player (yet), but a deserter debuff is necessary for games like this. So what, you DC'd once and have the debuff. Go do something else until it wears off. If you're DCing THAT much maybe you shouldn't be playing PvP.
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I really don't care about the deserter debuff. I just wish I had an ability to report those that are going afk and sitting there. The afk timer takes way too long and it's not hard to develop a program that will make you move every 2 minutes so you dont go afk.
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I really don't care about the deserter debuff. I just wish I had an ability to report those that are going afk and sitting there. The afk timer takes way too long and it's not hard to develop a program that will make you move every 2 minutes so you dont go afk.


Someone made a youtube video of a bunch of AFKers in Black Garden. It was pretty tragic. Out of 10 people on his team, I think a total of 4 of them were active. The rest of them were AFK and every once in a while they'd just jump to defeat the AFK auto-flag. I'm sure Trion is working on a solution and I haven't personally seen anything that bad in the warfronts I've run, but it is truly unfortunate, and I hope the punishment when Trion tracks them down is swift and severe. But don't ban them. Nonono...let them log in to their rolled back characters so the reality sinks in.
#31 Mar 14 2011 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Rico77|WH wrote:

well without the debuff it was much better even you had to wait some time till you get in a que

and why should the ppl that pay for the same stuff they could also have in WoW ???

that they had befor and well i think that debuff was allways in WoW so it not realy matter and ppl
life with it cuz they not know any diffren but in Rift it was diffren and that was may what many ppl
liket about Rift ( warfront ) if they want debuff they can also go back to like i say befor and play
that and pay for that and not stay in a game that have now the same think as they had befor i mean its

a new game so they want to get as many player as they can get for Rift and with that they make $$$$$$
with that they can make content and etc but if player leave and go back to what they had befor they lose
that money they had become befor and i saw that in diffren games and what was the end of that in the end
well it that the game sooner or later at a free play phase etc and then was gone and it would realy be sad
if that was the same with Rift :(



Did Ghostcrawler send you?
Seriously though..never has Trion Said they are not like WoW, What they are not like is Blizzard...

Trion has given us a polished and upgraded theme park MMO that most of the playing population is familiar with and added new lore. Anyone who didn't realize that probobly should read the box before purchasing an MMO..


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... Smiley: dubious


This.


Edited, Mar 16th 2011 12:20am by Caia
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#33 Mar 22 2011 at 2:22 AM Rating: Decent
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it's right to put a debuff on deserters... i don't mind your disagree...
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