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#1 Mar 13 2011 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello everyone, i currently have a Model: SR5710F 3GB Ram, 32-Bit Operating System with AMD Athlon(tm) Duel Core Processor 4450e 2.3 GHz, and a NVIDIA GeForce 6150 SE Graphics card. And I currently play at 4-7 FPS on RIFT on its LOWEST graphics settings.

Based on Systemrequirementslab.com's analysis, this is what it recommended:

CPU
Recommended: Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz or better
You Have: AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 4450e (PASS)


RAM
Recommended: 4 GB
You Have: 2.9 GB (UPGRADE SUGGESTED)

OS
Recommended: Windows XP, Vista or 7
You Have: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition Service Pack 1 (build 6001), 32-bit
(PASS)

Video Card
Recommended: Desktop: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or better (Notebook: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 200M series or better)
You Have: GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 (UPGRADE SUGGESTED)

Sound Card
Recommended: Yes
You Have: Realtek High Definition Audio (PASS)


Free Disk Space
Recommended: 8.0 GB
You Have: 105.4 GB (PASS)

Based on this, i am getting at all i need to do is upgrade my RAM and Video Card. Based on the model's i have, i was wondering if anyone could suggest some RAM and Video Card's that would suit my computer and is a reasonable price and that could allow me to at-least play the game with medium settings with no frame-rate issue.

A link to some affordable upgrades would be extremely helpful. Thank you
#2 Mar 13 2011 at 9:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Are you using the Low Quality Render option? (It may be a different name but it works wonders) Otherwise I have nothing. 4GB of RAM is fine. And I don't know video Cards. I have a feeling there is some other issue that isn't your hardware unless your video card is really THAT old.
#3 Mar 13 2011 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Danex317 wrote:
Are you using the Low Quality Render option? (It may be a different name but it works wonders) Otherwise I have nothing. 4GB of RAM is fine. And I don't know video Cards. I have a feeling there is some other issue that isn't your hardware unless your video card is really THAT old.


Yeah i am using the Low Quality Rendering option. My computer itself is only a couple years old but no telling about the Graphics card.

Edited, Mar 14th 2011 12:59am by Ikathekiller
#4 Mar 13 2011 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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your biggest issue i can see is you dont have a video card. the GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 is an integrated graphics card on your mobo. because there are multiple mobos with that graphics i dont know which you have or what kind of upgrades your motherboard can take. but most that ive seen, after doing a search for boards with that card, have a pcix16 slot but no pci x16-e especially no pci x16-e 2.1
so, the 2 things i think you need to upgrade first are your motherboard and your OS 32bit only runs 4gb which is probably close to the max for that motherboard anyways. in order to run a higher end card you also usually need a pretty good power supply. 600w or more. assuming you dont have a lower end system and a high end power supply. that will probably need an upgrade to go with the overhaul. with the new mobo your cpu may be fine but you will probably need new ram, upgrading to ddr3. a video card, hd5xxx or 4xxgtx would be great types of cards to get. especially to run the game at or near ultra. and probably an OS update to win7 x64.

i know none of this sounds pretty... but i hope nobody ever told you PC gaming was cheap. lol. anyways you dont need to follow my advice either. just saying this is my advice on running the game at a good quality and with good fps. if you want to try you can probably just pick up like a geforce 9800 or 8800 or something and see how it plays with that since you wont be using an integrated card. then you should at least get some better fps with the low quality rendering.

ps. my buddy got a $700 pc from cyberpowerpc and hes running it around 40fps at stock settings. which isnt too bad imo.
#5 Mar 14 2011 at 12:08 AM Rating: Decent
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your biggest issue i can see is you dont have a video card. the GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 is an integrated graphics card on your mobo. because there are multiple mobos with that graphics i dont know which you have or what kind of upgrades your motherboard can take. but most that ive seen, after doing a search for boards with that card, have a pcix16 slot but no pci x16-e especially no pci x16-e 2.1
so, the 2 things i think you need to upgrade first are your motherboard and your OS 32bit only runs 4gb which is probably close to the max for that motherboard anyways. in order to run a higher end card you also usually need a pretty good power supply. 600w or more. assuming you dont have a lower end system and a high end power supply. that will probably need an upgrade to go with the overhaul. with the new mobo your cpu may be fine but you will probably need new ram, upgrading to ddr3. a video card, hd5xxx or 4xxgtx would be great types of cards to get. especially to run the game at or near ultra. and probably an OS update to win7 x64.

i know none of this sounds pretty... but i hope nobody ever told you PC gaming was cheap. lol. anyways you dont need to follow my advice either. just saying this is my advice on running the game at a good quality and with good fps. if you want to try you can probably just pick up like a geforce 9800 or 8800 or something and see how it plays with that since you wont be using an integrated card. then you should at least get some better fps with the low quality rendering.

ps. my buddy got a $700 pc from cyberpowerpc and hes running it around 40fps at stock settings. which isnt too bad imo.


Thanks for the advice. First i will look into getting a video card and see how the game runs after that. And yeah PC gaming is NOT cheap haha. I just checked to see if my computer met the requirements for the game and I ended up playing the game as a slideshow. I appreciate the help man.
#6 Mar 14 2011 at 9:34 AM Rating: Good
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Video card is a must, your Motherboard has the appropriate expansion slot. I'm certain you will need a new power supply to go with it. Could get a GTX460 for about 200 bucks, a PSU for around 100 bucks.

Good thing with that purchase is it's something you can keep and upgrade off of. For example, if in the future you decide to upgrade again you could get a motherboard, CPU and RAM and continue to use your PSU and Video card, ending up with a beast of a machine.
#7 Mar 14 2011 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Video card is a must, your Motherboard has the appropriate expansion slot. I'm certain you will need a new power supply to go with it. Could get a GTX460 for about 200 bucks, a PSU for around 100 bucks.

Good thing with that purchase is it's something you can keep and upgrade off of. For example, if in the future you decide to upgrade again you could get a motherboard, CPU and RAM and continue to use your PSU and Video card, ending up with a beast of a machine.


Nice, i didn't know that i should upgrade my power supply with my video card. Thanks for the help.
#8 Mar 15 2011 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Many higher end video cards require a bigger power supply (PSU) because they are just bigger cards. The Nvidia GTX460 for example is a double decker card (meaning it takes up two bays on the back of your PC, one for the monitor output and the other is used as a vent) the card is a beast and the one I have takes two six pin power connectores to run. It is also a PCIe card so you won't be able to run it on your current mobo.

Honestly with the amount of upgrades you would have to perform to get this game running at a level that would actually be worth the upgrade (why spend a few hundred dollars just to run the game a few FPS better on the lower settings when you could spend a LITTLE more and get it to run well at even the higher settings?) I would recommend going to one of the websites online like cyberpowerpc and build a system that meets your budget. Dell/ Alienware have a financing system so you can build a great system and pay monthly too.

I see it like this... if you are going to have to upgrade your RAM, mobo, OS, GPU, CPU and PSU...thats a whole freakin PC right there...minus the hard drive and case (and disc drive) so why not just get a whole brand new shiney system that comes with a new keyboard, monitor and mouse too?

Rift is one of those games that is worth it to upgrade...but you will also have a system that can run all the other games you want to play too. If you don't have the money now, don't waste what money you do have on small upgrades that wo'nt last long enough to make it worth the investment, save it and buy a great rig later.
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#9 Mar 15 2011 at 8:53 AM Rating: Good
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Katchii wrote:
Many higher end video cards require a bigger power supply (PSU) because they are just bigger cards. The Nvidia GTX460 for example is a double decker card (meaning it takes up two bays on the back of your PC, one for the monitor output and the other is used as a vent) the card is a beast and the one I have takes two six pin power connectores to run. It is also a PCIe card so you won't be able to run it on your current mobo.
Huh? Is this page wrong then? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883109029 Says it has PCI Express.

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Honestly with the amount of upgrades you would have to perform to get this game running at a level that would actually be worth the upgrade (why spend a few hundred dollars just to run the game a few FPS better on the lower settings when you could spend a LITTLE more and get it to run well at even the higher settings?) I would recommend going to one of the websites online like cyberpowerpc and build a system that meets your budget. Dell/ Alienware have a financing system so you can build a great system and pay monthly too.
I strongly disagree. Hes playing the game on an integrated graphics card atm. a new video card would make this game run a TON better. Assuming the video card fits in his case of course. The game certainly wont run on max but it will run OK.

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I see it like this... if you are going to have to upgrade your RAM, mobo, OS, GPU, CPU and PSU...thats a whole freakin PC right there...minus the hard drive and case (and disc drive) so why not just get a whole brand new shiney system that comes with a new keyboard, monitor and mouse too?
He doesnt need to get all that.
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Rift is one of those games that is worth it to upgrade...but you will also have a system that can run all the other games you want to play too. If you don't have the money now, don't waste what money you do have on small upgrades that wo'nt last long enough to make it worth the investment, save it and buy a great rig later.
As I said in my previous post a PSU and graphics card are things he can upgrade now, and then build off of later. I should know, its exactly what I did and it worked wonders. I turned an HP pavilion POS desktop into a fully custom machine over the last 5 years and Im still currently using every component ive upgraded. Was a very wise investment.



Edited, Mar 15th 2011 7:54am by KTurner
#10 Mar 15 2011 at 9:37 AM Rating: Default
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Well here is what im seeing from your specs...

Your Cpu - How old is it? Could just be dying out, been over worked for long periods of time.

Ram - I would suggest 4-6 gig's (depending on dimm slots) - 2 x 2gig strips so u can run dual chan. Also what speed are you running your ram at?

Os - Ditch vista (resource hog) grab up windows 7 (or windows 8(pirate edition) ultimate if u can find a copy of it)

Video card - Says it all..You need a 1 Gig video card to run this game..i plays fine on my friends 4870 HD no OC

Sound Card - meh Onboard runs it fine

HDD - What interface is your Hdd? Sata 1,2,3? Speed of the HDD?

Psu - What is the wattage of the power supply you currently have..that will determine allot when buying a video card.

Also your Mobo Its self has allot to do with how your computer runs your Hardware..E.g you buy a newer Cpu(that your mobo supports) But if your mobos BUS is slower it will create a bottle neck and youll see no performance gain. So really you have to look at whats keep able compared to what you want to buy. Like if your computer is still running DDR2 ram you probably wont be able to find much to upgrade to, yes u can change the ram and video card but now youll prob need a bigger power supply to power that new monster of a video card, And most DDR2 mobos only support 4 - 8 gigs of ram and in 2 gig dimms witch wasnt bad a couple years ago.

The real question is, Is the computer worth upgrading?

And for all the posts above..Never upgrade nething till you have a Mobo..Because sometimes what you thought u wanted isnt what u end up getting...so what happens if you buy an intel Mobo and this sick new Amd cpu gos on sale dirt cheap...now your screwed..Buy important componants first, not just what u want. Yes a power source is unaversal but what happens if u buy a 650 and it runs ur current mobo/fans/vid card/ hdd fine then 4 months down the road u get a new cpu/case/mobo and its not longer enough power to run its without peaking...oo well another 100$ for a 750 watt..its just not smart...start at the foundation and build up.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 11:41am by Hemptation
#11 Mar 15 2011 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
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Hemptation wrote:
Never upgrade nething till you have a Mobo..
That's funny. Because once you upgrade your mobo (if you are smart about it), you will have to upgrade your video card, ram, CPU and PSU.

Foundation is not Mobo. If anything the foundation is case and PSU.
#12 Mar 15 2011 at 10:02 AM Rating: Default
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Not at all...Your motherboard is everything it determines your power supply/cpu/ram/case size/video card capability everything LOL it is litterly the most important part of your computer...It must be slightly faster then everything in you computer...or it will bottle neck everything in you computer, and then stress the mobo leading to shortened life.

A case is aesthetic you dont even need to case to run your computer..In face allot of people run there computers form test benches, If i didnt have a cat i would def run my computer from my test bench and i do when i overclock it. If your upgrading or building a computer while you want to use it (witch isnt the best way to do it, because then your just upgrading parts within the capacity of your oldest part)...But if you must then buy a mobo, ram and cpu at the same time. And if your computer is so old u cant port you dvd drive/hdd/video card over for a couple months while your waiting for those parts...Then u need a new computer for sure and u mise well just use the older one you have while your building the new rig.

In all honesty whats available today compared to what hes running, no matter the rout he gos its going to be a waste. He cant run a PCI-E card so there is no point in trying to upgrade the video card on that Mobo, No point in upgrading from onbaord video, its a waste of money adding ram. When he could save up 500-600$ and buy a whole new rig. when in reality to put a video card 150-200$, 2 gigs ram 60$, psu (750watt avg. use) 75$ your looking at 300$ before tax neways.

Your motherboard is the FIRST thing you pick out. Why? because everything runs off the motherboard its is the HUB for everything. EVERYTHING! not your power supply or case LMFAO

and as it was said if your smart about how u upgrade you have to redue you entire system. No thats how a moron dose it. If you were smart you would read about the mobo your buying and make sure its compatible with what your currently using if u plan on keeping those parts/or compatible with what you would like to use in the future. LMFAO...like my mobo is brand new (a month old) Asus Crosshair IV extreme and is still have a standard PCI slot? sure i went from ddr 2 - ddr 3 and that somthing i cant port over but obviously i had planed for that because i researched what i bought.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 12:07pm by Hemptation
#13 Mar 15 2011 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Hemptation wrote:
it determines your power supply/cpu/ram/case size/video card capability everything
No it doesnt. Buy a full size tower, buy a good 750W PSU, buy a PCI-E video card. I guarantee when the OP goes to upgrade next, he will not have to upgrade those 3 components.


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A case is aesthetic you dont even need to case to run your computer..In face allot of people run there computers form test benches,
No, If i had to guess I would say about .01% of computer users run their PC from a test bench.

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If your upgrading or building a computer while you want to use it (witch isnt the best way to do it, because then your just upgrading parts within the capacity of your oldest part)
It's the best way to do it if you're on a budget and if you are smart about it.

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...But if you must then buy a mobo, ram and cpu at the same time.


Yes, i agree. buy all three at the sametime, but dont upgrade those first if you have a limited budget.
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He cant run a PCI-E card
If true, you are right. My research told me he can in fact run a pci-e card.

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Your motherboard is the FIRST thing you pick out. Why? because everything runs off the motherboard its is the HUB for everything. EVERYTHING! not your power supply or case LMFAO


If building a computer from scratch, yes. if upgrading no because a new mobo will be the most expensive upgrade for the least performance/$,
#14 Mar 15 2011 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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My bad, I hadn't done enough research before talking out my ****. I'll revise my opinion.

Integrated video cards are crap for gaming, if you have a mobo and PSU that can handle a 1GB video card, getting one will drastically improve your framerates. However, if your CPU is dying or slower than your GPU, it will bottleneck everything causing your gaming to suffer from stuttering and slower load times. If your mobo is old, it means that you can only use older CPU's as you'll be restricted by the socket type your motherboard can hold, which will be processors from the same time period your mobo was made +/- a few months. A new mobo (or newer model) means you can use newer, faster CPU's.

Upgrading your OS to a 64 bit one like Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit is a must if you want to make use of more than 3.8 GB (or whetever the max is, I know it's a little less than 4GB)of RAM, which I am assuming you do. Also, upgrading your Vista to the latest service packs will greatly improve your performance. Studies were done that show that Vista with the latest service packs (up to at least SP2) has performance similar to Windows 7 making it not worth the upgrade (from a strictly PC gaming performance perspective) if you had the 64bit version. You have the 32 bit version so upgrading to Windows 7 64 bit is recommended.

You can definitely get by without spending loads of cash and get significant improvements in your gaming capabilties.
Getting 4GB of RAM(2x2GB sticks) is about $75+, a new mobo and CPU will be about $200-300 depending on what you go for (and that's not even close to top end CPU's but you don't need that to be happy with your PC gaming experience) new video cards range anywhere from $75-500 or twice that for Crossfire/ SLi. A new PSU (600W +) runs anywhere from $35 for lower end, inefficient PSU to over $200 for higher wattage, higher efficiency ones. Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit runs about $120 or so.

So for minimal upgrades you're looking at AT LEAST $300-400 for just the OS, RAM and cheap Video card.

I am just one of those people that doesn't like nickel-diming my upgrades if I can help it, especially if I know my whole system (or most of it) needs to be upgraded. And if I'm going to be spending a decent sum of cash to do small upgrades I'll shell out more just to be finished with the project so I don't have to worry about it for the next few months...when arguably you could be upgrading other stuff due to how fast PC technology ages.

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#15 Mar 15 2011 at 10:49 AM Rating: Default
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Im not here to just flame this kids thread back and forth...We obviously both see it different ways...you see it in i need to save money now...i see it as i want to save more money overall.

But as for the tread i looked up his computer http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1688310902

It is a 64 bit cpu so if u ran a 64 bit os u will get a bit more power from your cpu, also you have a 2 dimm board with a max of 4 gigs, The bad new is its capped at 800 mhz, and both your dimm slots are full already. this is a limitation of the Mobo (but according to some people upgrading mobos is last)

This board is also the AM2 socket mobo so you cant even socket any of the newer cpus..seeing as there all AM3(if u wanna stick with amd that is)

A major hanger in this computer is the Sata 1..this is a 1Gb transfer is your lucky, standard now is sata 3 6 gb transfer, but there is a happy middle at sata 2 3 gb transfer.

and he has a pci-e 1x1 port witch means u cannot put a double din card into your case. youll have to buy a non reference card (to nix the cooler) and you have a short case (mines got a 15" bay and i can fit a 10 1/2" vid card) witch could cause some seating problems with a newer card...along with ventilation issues due to the lack of after market cooling on the card.

some other issues that may need to be addressed is the 10/100 lan adapter, USB 1.0, And most newer video cards require DVI output(although them come with a vga adapter)

in the end when u look at it..this screams NEW MOBO.



Edited, Mar 15th 2011 12:51pm by Hemptation

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 1:00pm by Hemptation
#16 Mar 15 2011 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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and he has a pci-e 1x1 port witch means u cannot put a double din card into your case. youll have to buy a non reference card (to nix the cooler)
What is a double din card and who said anything about that. You could hook up a GTX460 to that MOBO, case closed.

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and you have a short case (mines got a 15" bay and i can fit a 10 1/2" vid card) witch could cause some seating problems with a newer card...along with ventilation issues due to the lack of after market cooling on the card.
If you have a good case you dont need aftermarket cooling on your card unless you are OCing, and guess what most people dont care to OC either. Case closed.

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some other issues that may need to be addressed is the 10/100 lan adapter, USB 1.0, And most newer video cards require DVI output(although them come with a vga adapter)

in the end when u look at it..this screams NEW MOBO.


Now your just reaching. I can speak completely from experience here, ive built off **** near the same mother board. HP a1730n First upgrade was video card (GTX260, was just after it was released), PSU, and case. Cost about 400 bucks and i could run all my games at max at the time. Next upgrade came recently: mobo: cpu: ram. cost about 400 bucks. still using my original case, my original video card and my original PSU. Total cost 800 bucks, and i would be hard pressed to build anything better from scratch for less. So it looks like i didnt lose any money in the long run and made a very wise choice in the way I upgraded my box.
#17 Mar 15 2011 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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he might have the slot for the GTX460 but does he have the PSU to handle it? The card is a beast, I have the EVGA version Nvidia GTX460 SC and it takes 2 six pin connectors, which means you probbaly need a PSU of at least 450W to handle it reliably.

How big is the PSU the OP has? I would imagine it's 450W but he never did say.

I found the system he's using....

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/compaq-presario-sr5710f-athlon/4507-3118_7-33463986.html

I've always heard that Compaq's were notoriously difficult if not impossible to upgrade, is that in any way true? I've never tried so I don't know for sure, but it doesn't make sense to me if it were true.

He'll need a new power supply to get a video card, even a crappy one.

I'd just drop $500-600 on a new PC from Fry's or something, IMO it's not worth trying to upgrade a PC this old with new parts because you're basically going to have to buy all of the parts for a new PC. Even back when it was purchased (which based on the review and the specs was probably around 2007?) it was a budget PC, which means all of the really necessary stuff for PC gaming was either left out, or not good enough for PC gaming...this is a basic library/ family computer, really only good for Word processing and information surfing on the internet. Watching streaming video, streaming music or watching DVD movies would stress this PC, and it would be slow while doing it.

The OP is either not an avid PC gamer, or doesn't have the money to get REALLY into PC gaming which means an out-of-the-box PC like a Dell or HP that has a video card and therefore the PSU, new OS, the RAM along with a new case, keyboard, mouse and monitor would be great. Here's a few reason why.

1) Out-of-the-box PC's can be bought with a financing plan from stores like Fry's, Best Buy, Dell, etc... Financing plan = credit card though so....obviously there are pro's and con's to credit cards.

2) Out-of-the-box PC's have the entire package under warranty, if any part goes wrong, regardless of which part or for what reason, you can call the manufacturer and/ or store who sold it to you and get the part replaced without having to send in a warranty card like you would if you had purchased each component separately. You don't ever expect to use the warranty, but when you do, you will be glad you have one in place.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 2:17pm by Katchii
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#18 Mar 15 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Ive already adressed that. id like to say numerous times.

and lets just not forget that the OP asked for
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Based on this, i am getting at all i need to do is upgrade my RAM and Video Card. Based on the model's i have, i was wondering if anyone could suggest some RAM and Video Card's that would suit my computer and is a reasonable price and that could allow me to at-least play the game with medium settings with no frame-rate issue.

A link to some affordable upgrades would be extremely helpful. Thank you


Not sure how "get a new mobo" (which really equates to "get a new computer" in this case) even begins to answer their question.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 10:58am by KTurner
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A double din card takes up 2 slots...And your not account for space at all.. A GTX 460 is a 9 1/2" card i have one..Now the reason this card takes 2 pci slots is because of the Ref. cooler. And u literally just gave me the example of the 460 (witch is a waste of money if your not OC seeing how this card was made to OC).. And a good case dosn't provide near enough air flow if the case is to small and compact? witch throwing a big *** video card can do without a doubt.

and if u want to get on the topic of whos was more cost effective. I just built my computer on the 20th of feb, and it will last me easily 2 years before i have to change a single part in it.

mobo - Asus Crosshair IV extreme mobo
cpu - Amd phenom II x6 1090T 3.2 Ghz
Memory - Kingston Hyper X 8 Gigs 1600mhz
Video - XFX 5850 black edition, EVGA GTX 460 Fermi (SC)- running in hydralogix
HDD - WD Caviar Black sata 3 gb 10k rpm
Psu - 950 Watt corsair modular
NZXT - M59 (witch is to small for my mobo so i had to cut some of the HDD drive bays)

and this all cost me 950$ after tax LMFAO (i had the Nvida card prior to buying this rig) and i have the digital receipt from tiger direct if you want a picture of it.

so ive spent less then you and have a completely new computer? where as you spent 1200$ and have a dated video card and psu, along with a bargin bin mobo, clearly if u can get a mobo and cpu for 300$ assuming your spent 100$ on 4 gigs of ram.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 4:39pm by Hemptation
#20 Mar 15 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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check your math before you get carried away with laughing your *** off. i spent 800 dollars total. if i had taken the advice you are giving and upgraded everything 2 years ago my machine would be full of dated components and would have probably cost more.

Also my psu isnt dated. its a psu. has all the connections that yours does and powers everything i have. My computer only needs a new graphics card which i am more than willing to admit and I think thats a pretty good position to be in.



Edited, Mar 15th 2011 2:04pm by KTurner
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Hemptation wrote:

Psu - 950 Watt corsair modular


Well this is unnecessary for a single GPU build

Unless you're running like 6 hard drives in there or something ridiculous like that, you shouldn't need more than 750W (and even that's kind of a stretch) in any single-GPU system, especially as we're talking about building on a budget here. He's not going to be running that fancy ATI Diablo demon card from the moon anytime soon.
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@ arch - I have a 5850 and a GTX 460? how is that at all over kill?

And @ KT check my math? so you didnt buy the computer you upgraded from at all? it just magically appeared? I was giving you the benefit by saying you payed 400$ for the HP back 2 years ago when it came out When in reality it was prob 650$+.

Also you can have a dated psu...its not just a psu..When did you last take your psu out, clean and oil fans? change fuses? This all adds to ware and tare if you have a 700 watt psu now and dont care for it doubt it pushes 600 in a year..How many Sata power connectors do you have? how many 6 pins do you have? how many 8 pins do you have? a psu isnt just a psu..Its important the type you buy compared to what you want to do with it? My self i need 4 6 pin connectors just for video cards. Yours is a year + old doubt it even has 2 6 pins unless you paid some good money for it a year ago, because 2 six pins for 1 card a year ago was unheard of unless u ran a duel gpu card.





Edited, Mar 15th 2011 6:56pm by Hemptation
#23 Mar 15 2011 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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Actually I missed that you were using 2 GPUs. Though 2 different GPUs is not something I normally see, usually if someone is running more than one they run copies of the same one to better facilitate load distribution between them.

Not sure what you're on about with 1+ year old PSUs not having multiple 6-pin connectors. I built my computer just last year and my PSU definitely has like 6 of those. Same with my friend's PSU which is several years older still.
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Running hydralogix...Using the 460 for physx and tessellation only.and running the same card would be crossfire or SLI but im using an nvida and Amd card..And i have honestly never seen a single Psu with 6-6pin connectors? maybe molex with an adapter on it but thats not reliable power, thats just making due with what you have.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 8:33pm by Hemptation

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 8:34pm by Hemptation
#25 Mar 15 2011 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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Hemptation wrote:
Running hydralogix...Using the 460 for physx and tessellation only.and running the same card would be crossfire or SLI but im using an nvida and Amd card..And i have honestly never seen a single Psu with 6-6pin connectors? maybe molex with an adapter on it but thats not reliable power, thats just making due with what you have.

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 8:33pm by Hemptation

Edited, Mar 15th 2011 8:34pm by Hemptation


Pretty sure it has 6, I know it has at least 4 since I'm running an SLI setup myself. Admittedly I could just be lying to you about the other two cables... it's possible
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#26 Mar 15 2011 at 11:24 PM Rating: Decent
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just slapping a huge video card on a mobo with only a pci-e 16 1.0 slot isnt going to help much. the mobo will just bottleneck the card. so there is no sense in buying anything expensive like a 460 without a mobo upgrade.
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been tryin to say this?
#28 Mar 19 2011 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
Hemptation wrote:

This board is also the AM2 socket mobo so you cant even socket any of the newer cpus..seeing as there all AM3(if u wanna stick with amd that is)


The two major cpu companies use different sockets based on the generation of chip. There are more than 10 sockets available at this time. Therefore, CPU and Motherboard have to be matched.
Hemptation wrote:

A major hanger in this computer is the Sata 1..this is a 1Gb transfer is your lucky, standard now is sata 3 6 gb transfer, but there is a happy middle at sata 2 3 gb transfer.

Seriously??? Most drives do not even reach transfer speeds that are capable of SATA. Mechanicals just don't go that fast. (SSD's perhaps, but that is a different thread.) The major hang-ups of this computer is the 32-bit OS and the graphics card. See next comment.
Hemptation wrote:

and he has a pci-e 1x1 port witch means u cannot put a double din card into your case. youll have to buy a non reference card (to nix the cooler) and you have a short case (mines got a 15" bay and i can fit a 10 1/2" vid card) witch could cause some seating problems with a newer card...along with ventilation issues due to the lack of after market cooling on the card.

Did not look at the OP's case, but looking at other posts, he does have a pci-e 16 slot. GTX 460, comparable to GTX 260, comparable to the 8800 GTX(?) are the budget cards with increasing technology (with the 560 now out Smiley: cool All now is to see what the size of the case is. A double din card just takes up to ports on the back of the tower, or has the size of two normal cards side by side due to the cooler. Also for budget, look at the price of the cards I mentioned. Depends on future upgrades and what your MOBO/CPU/PSU can handle.
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some other issues that may need to be addressed is the 10/100 lan adapter, USB 1.0, And most newer video cards require DVI output(although them come with a vga adapter)


Please, I don't even think this is an issue. USB 1.0 does not exist on any newer machines in the last 5-7 years, and now USB 3.0 is out. 10/100 lan adapter??? Yeah, that is a stretch.
Hemptation wrote:

in the end when u look at it..this screams NEW MOBO.

Ummmmmm, NO, sorry. just a few upgrades will help. A new MOBO requires a new CPU, and still needs the graphics card. For budget, use what you have. Not everyone can upgrade all the parts at once.
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just slapping a huge video card on a mobo with only a pci-e 16 1.0 slot isnt going to help much. the mobo will just bottleneck the card. so there is no sense in buying anything expensive like a 460 without a mobo upgrade.


I will give you that about the bottlenecking, which is why I reccommend looking at the GTX 260 for the time being. The OP just wants to run the game without the slide show, and this should help.

Hemptation wrote:
been tryin to say this?

Yes, you have, but no offense, you don't seem to be very knowledgeable in repairing computers. Simple advice for the OP is all that was needed, not a sales pitch for a newly built system.

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Not tryint to sell him a computer...im just saying spending 200$ on a lower end video card now it just goning to make you buy another video card next year to play the next game...you get what you pay for..Simple as that. You wanna nickel and dime your going to have **** computer all the time and always be asking why isnt this running smooth...spend a lil more now skip a year or two having to upgrade those parts because u wanna play a new game not to difficult. Also cheap nvidia cards are what they are cheap...they run hot suck power and die..How do i know this i have ran nvidia cards is almost everyone of my systems for phsyx since its released and they have all died within the first year/year and half.I run a 460 for dedicated physx / tessellation in my current system when playing mafia II my 460 runs 10-20 degrees hotter then my XFX 5850 and the XFX dose all the work...When i play Hawx 2 the 460 is 20-25 degrees hotter and all its doing is the tessellation witch i understand would be more work in this example then running the game its self but still. Now this isnt the case with every nvidia card there higher end cards (witch are similarly price to amd cards) run quiet well.

My recently retired computer is a AMD dual core 2.4 (cpu is good enough to run the game), 4 Gigs ddr2 1333 ram (good enough to run the game), Sapphire 4870HD (video card good enough to run the game), 1 tb WD caviar black (good enough to run the game) Fair enough?

i got 15 fps on max settings, i got 22 fps on lowest settings (i no this is due to the engine is runs on)..Now i didnt go buy a new computer to play Rift specifically, I though that was kinda odd seeing how i got 50 fps on bulletstorm, witch is a much more action packed game released at the same time. so i decided to check my OC's (witch turned out was only on the video card) ran some bench marks (witch i have all my old scores saved) and the computer is hitting 890 down from 1300 (with the video card oc, when orig tests were without)on 3d mark vantage, so what dose that mean to me? my computer is getting old and needs to be replaced because its been worked to hard to long and the parts just arent what they used to be, Now i could have been like i have had this mobo for 3 years now and it was a lower end board when i bought it, but it cant support nething from todays tech no Am3 socket, pretty much every amd made in the last year is am3[assuming i wanted amd], no sata 2 or 3[witch is a HUGE transfer rate increase from sata 1],I could have just tossed a monstrous video card into the computer but the mobo wouldnt be able to use it to its potential..Waste of money to upgrade on this board simple as that..now there is fluff i was looking for when shopping for a board, usb 3(why waste money on this, well seeing how its a fairly new tech new jump drives and such will probably in the near future be based on this tech, along with ipod adapters and cameras, now tech wont switch to souly 3.0 but i rather like copying a movie from my computer to a jump drive at 110 mb/s)

You can say i dont know **** about computer or repairing on a bugget..But thats why we plan for upgrades and save money..holy what a concept..Slappin a new psu and video card in his computer will slightly help run rift due to the current on board video but for the 300$ i bet he runs at 15-20 frames due to the dated mobo. this could be livable if your lvlin with some mobs

and yes network cards make a huge difference when your playin ONLINE GAMES, omg who would have thunk that a network connection is improved by a better network card? i went from 10/100 (on a 13 mgbit connection) at 100-160 lat to a gb card (same isp) and have 34-50 lat? nope made no difference...just was able to use what i pay for from my isp
#30 Mar 19 2011 at 4:02 PM Rating: Decent
Normally, I would let things die, but, not today. So, let's keep going....

Ikathekiller wrote:
Based on this, i am getting at all i need to do is upgrade my RAM and Video Card. Based on the model's i have, i was wondering if anyone could suggest some RAM and Video Card's that would suit my computer and is a reasonable price and that could allow me to at-least play the game with medium settings with no frame-rate issue.


Obviously here, the OP is just looking for some simple upgrades to help out with the game. For less than $100 USD on Ebay you can get a decent NVIDA or ATI card to run the game, and some simple memory upgrade. EVGA or XFX cards due to the warranty. Most of these sold by good sellers on e-bay are selling them because they, themselves, upgraded cards. Simple fix for now, not a lot of money.

Hemptation wrote:
Not tryint to sell him a computer...im just saying spending 200$ on a lower end video card now it just goning to make you buy another video card next year to play the next game
True enough, however, most posters like this are not asking about next year. New games will always require new hardware, just an endless cycle.
Hemptation wrote:
...you get what you pay for..Simple as that.

Not really, see first comment.
Hemptation wrote:
You wanna nickel and dime your going to have sh*t computer all the time and always be asking why isnt this running smooth...spend a lil more now skip a year or two having to upgrade those parts because u wanna play a new game not to difficult. Also cheap nvidia cards are what they are cheap

Let me stop you there. Yes, cheap cards of any type are just that. Gaming cards, like the ones that I mentioned, the 8800, 9800, GTX 260---were not cheap when they came out, but are now for those who just need a simple upgrade. These are gaming cards.
Hemptation wrote:
...they run hot suck power and die..How do i know this i have ran nvidia cards is almost everyone of my systems for phsyx since its released and they have all died within the first year/year and half.I run a 460 for dedicated physx / tessellation in my current system when playing mafia II my 460 runs 10-20 degrees hotter then my XFX 5850 and the XFX dose all the work...When i play Hawx 2 the 460 is 20-25 degrees hotter and all its doing is the tessellation witch i understand would be more work in this example then running the game its self but still. Now this isnt the case with every nvidia card there higher end cards (witch are similarly price to amd cards) run quiet well.

Nvidia runs hot, no suprise there, look everywhere. But so does the AMD chips. It is what it is.


I'm pretty much going to leave the discussion here. The fact is, you are infatuated with the wrong things. Look originally at the post, see what it is that the OP is asking for. In a perfect world, everyone can afford the newest technology, but that is not going to happen here. Upgrades in general are expensive, and can be a bank breaker. When the OP is ready for a new computer, and we see the post,
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I am thinking of building a new computer
, then talk about MOBO, Sockets, memory, etc, and their compatibility.



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#31 Mar 19 2011 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent

@ Hemptation I need to make some statements....

Please do not take this as I am implying that you are ignorant, I would never state that. What I am trying to imply, even though it seems that I am picking on you, is that I see a lot of posts that are mis-directed in informing the OP's that they need to upgrade the wrong equipment at this time. More so, I am saying it is just confusing to them.

I am trying to give you credit where it is due, and yes, MOBO's are important, but, if you are not looking at replacing the CPU, then not necc. unless it is just so old that it is un-upgradeable or the MOBO is proprietory (sp?), i.e dell, hp, etc.

A lot of times, games like RIFT which do not require the latest PC's to run, can be made "better" with simple upgrades that don't cost a whole lot, whereas games like FFXIV require very expensive upgrades to run at a decent performance level.

Also, it just depends on preferences. The latest and greatest is not always the best!
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