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#1 Apr 11 2011 at 11:18 AM Rating: Decent
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So i'm thinking about trying this but wanted some input.

http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1MVTM.EbbVzoRoMdz.VVRb.0VMft0b
#2 Apr 11 2011 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Afaik all abilities are normalized over weapon speed so whether you use 1.5 speed daggers versus 2.4 speed axes it wont matter much.

Someone can correct me but I believe it's correct.
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#3 Apr 11 2011 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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My understanding at this point is that the damage your abilities do are dependent on the range of your weapon (i.e. a weapon with max damage of 80 will do more damage with a physical damage ability than a weapon of max damage 60, assuming same dps), but your overall dps will be roughly dependent on dps, not actual weapon damage. I need to do some more testing on that however, because up until yesterday I had thought Swift was correct in that all weapons were normalized, but a guildie did some testing last night with some level 50 weapons and came to the conclusion above.
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#4 Apr 11 2011 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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well thats new, because ive read of people testing it and concluding only dps makes a difference.
#5 Apr 11 2011 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm also referring to proc rate which affects NB and ASN a lot (weapon enchants).
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#6 Apr 11 2011 at 3:13 PM Rating: Good
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KTurner wrote:
well thats new, because ive read of people testing it and concluding only dps makes a difference.


That's what I had read as well, and what I concluded from my testing with basic white weapons from a vendor. However, he is swearing up and down that he was hitting significantly harder with a top end 80 weapon vs a top end 60 (same dps). He did not tell me what his overall dps was for the 2 weapons though, which leads me to believe that dps somehow evens out even if he's hitting harder with 1 weapon vs the other.
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#7 Apr 11 2011 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Vataro wrote:
KTurner wrote:
well thats new, because ive read of people testing it and concluding only dps makes a difference.


That's what I had read as well, and what I concluded from my testing with basic white weapons from a vendor. However, he is swearing up and down that he was hitting significantly harder with a top end 80 weapon vs a top end 60 (same dps). He did not tell me what his overall dps was for the 2 weapons though, which leads me to believe that dps somehow evens out even if he's hitting harder with 1 weapon vs the other.


How long did he run the parse? or was he just looking at numbers. i wouldnt trust anything thats not parsed.
#8 Apr 12 2011 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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I think he was just looking at numbers. Last night I did a mix of looking at numbers and actual parsing, using these two weapons: http://rift.zam.com/en/item/DDF5C3B90501010101/Vallnara%27s-Bite and http://rift.zam.com/en/item/ED9796E40101010101/Demonsplitter. I was wearing no gear, and did four tests - using just the dagger, using just the axe, using both with axe MH, using both with dagger MH. The move used was SS, in a 33 asn / 33 RS build with no buffs (but there was the extra +5% crit from asn). The parsed tests included 50 uses of SS for each test, counted manually. Later tests were done with Final Blow used every 5 SS attacks.

What the parsing told me is that both weapons, despite their differences in damage range, crit for almost identical amounts. It also told me that the dagger alone does about 10 dps more than the axe, but this is probably insignificant due to an increased number of crits. When the dagger is used in the MH there is only a couple dps difference from the axe in the MH.

My anecdotal evidence suggests that the two weapons are functionally very similar. Damage did seem to vary, but I can definitely tell that weapon speed is accounted for somehow, as both weapons seemed to produce very similar numbers on each hit. I did some testing on crits as well, and found the two weapons to crit for identical values (or within 1 damage). However, I noticed a much higher crit rate on the dagger than the axe. I wonder if this is due to the extra dex, though 6 dex shouldn't make that big of a difference. The dagger was, on average, critting 1.5-2x more frequently than the axe for some reason. Probably just random chance. My final note here is that I did observe a lower low end on crits with the dagger; the average crit for both weapons was 266, both weapons also showed a high of 274, but the dagger also showed several crits at 239 whereas the axe never dropped below 250.

To conclude, I should probably do more testing but it seems to me that they are in fact normalized.
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#9 Apr 12 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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yeah, id say from that testing they are identical when only taking into account single hits. dagger would likely allow more procs from any chance on hit abilities you may have.

thats really good to know, since i have the WoW mechanics so deeply ingrained in my head and have always thought "get the highest avg dmg weapon".

Edited, Apr 12th 2011 11:08am by KTurner
#10 Apr 12 2011 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to know if asn (and nb) gets more damage from faster autoattacks due to weapon enchants, or are weapon enchant percentages scaled based on weapon speed.
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