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#1 Apr 24 2011 at 10:52 PM Rating: Good
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17 Suggestions from an MMO vet
I compiled a list of things that I found to be cumbersome, redundant, unnecessary, unhelpful, redundant, lacking, cryptic, redundant....you get the idea......I hope this is the most appropriate board to post something like this.

1) get rid of the “play screen”. it’s the one after the log in screen. Move the “square-enix account management system” button to the log in screen.

2) get rid of the start screen. This isn’t a single player FF and we’ve already gone through two screens indicating that yes, we want to freaking play. You can move “credits” and “opening movie” to the log in screen. “quit” can be moved to the character selection screen.

3) add an AH. Use retainers and the market wards for players who wish to sell their goods outside of the AH system.

4) add an in game mail system.

5) Would be nice to be able to link items to other players, and to ourselves from the chat window.

6) add all of the FF XIV config options in game. It’s insane that players should have to close out of the game, just to adjust their video or gamepad settings.

7) add a description when you hover over your stats of how those stats affect your character. This would affect the attributes and point allotment windows.

8) it would be nice if you guys added a “drag and drop” function to the Actions and Traits menu.

9) add a manual sort function to the inventory.

10) add waypoints and personalized marker options to the map.

11) macros are an important function to the game, please move them from deep
within the config window and give it it’s own tab in the menu.

12) I haven’t seen a macro tutorial.

13) add a crafting panel so we don’t have to scribble every single recipe down or look to 3rd party sources on the internet.

14) I see what you're doing with the mail, AH, and chat systems to fight RMT but it's ruining the fun for the 99% of players who aren't real money traders. You can implement these systems in much the same manner that you did with the airship pass in FFXI. Introduce epic quest lines for each of the three systems that a vast majority of the players are asking for. Let us unlock them at high levels, that way only true players are using the system, instead of the real money traders. This not only adds the much needed convenience that all other MMOs have, and you predecessor did, but it also adds some content to the game.

15) My toon is just standing there like a T-1000. Not even a **** Legend of Zelda like kicking the dirt off his boots, fidgeting, or stretching out and yawning.

16) to go back to crafting, it just takes too long to craft or gather even the simplest of items and materials. How about varying crafting time based on the difficulty or simplicity of the item you’re making?

17) give us some sort of chat channel functionality. Level restrict it if you have to, even if it’s just for high or max level players.

Some of these problems stem from the fact that the developers are doing everything they can to prevent RMT from happening in the game (3,4,17). But it seems to me that what they're doing is over kill and creating a police state where we have no freedoms, like a chat system, mail system, or AH.

The other problems come from a total lack of information and features or the horrible placement of the information and features we are given (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,).

Then there's completely unnecessary redundancies (1,2)







Oh wait, this is everything that is wrong with Final Fantasy 14. A game that came out a full 5 months before Rift, and even today is still using the excuse that "the game is too new. You can't criticize a game this new, they haven't had time to work out all the bugs." Ya, ********* Rift was polished from day 1.


Stay classy, Rift.

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#2 Apr 25 2011 at 12:10 AM Rating: Good
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I gotta admit you had me for for a bit, then I scrolled down and read the bottom line and I lol'd.
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#3 Apr 25 2011 at 12:15 AM Rating: Decent
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XD

The real fun will kick off when someone who doesn't read the bottom, replies to this thread.
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#4 Apr 25 2011 at 12:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I still stop by the XIV boards here from time to time just to see what is happening over there. The earthquake and tsunami in Japan was tragic and even if I had something new to offer to the discussion I probably wouldn't have simply because I think it would have been in poor taste. At the end of the day, however, it's a testament to the fan base SE installed with previous FF titles that they can still have people hanging around hoping to see improvements months after such a miserable launch. I rather like Yoshida, but it's pretty clear right now that the timeframe to get XIV on a competitive footing will be much longer than anyone originally anticipated.
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At the end of the day, however, it's a testament to the fan base SE SS installed with previous FF titles that they can still have people hanging around hoping to see improvements months after such a miserable launch.


The FF franchise has steadily been going downhill for years. SquareSoft built the fanbase, Enix just rode it straight into the ground at full speed.

FF 2 and 3 (US) were what really built the fanbase, 7 (US) brought in a different type of fan. X was probably the last good FF, and one of the last FFs produced before Enix stepped in.

Edited, Apr 24th 2011 11:10pm by Raolan
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Raolan wrote:
Aurelius wrote:
At the end of the day, however, it's a testament to the fan base SE SS installed with previous FF titles that they can still have people hanging around hoping to see improvements months after such a miserable launch.


The FF franchise has steadily been going downhill for years. SquareSoft built the fanbase, Enix just rode it straight into the ground at full speed.

FF 2 and 3 (US) were what really built the fanbase, 7 (US) brought in a different type of fan. X was probably the last good FF, and one of the last FFs produced before Enix stepped in.

Edited, Apr 24th 2011 11:10pm by Raolan



I was gonna say the same thing, I agree completely.
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I got to #3 before I went "wth, did this guy play the game??"... Smiley: lol
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I got to #3 before I went "wth, did this guy play the game??"... Smiley: lol


Exact same, haha. I actually was confused it wasn't sub-default before I opened the topic Smiley: tongue
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#9 Apr 25 2011 at 7:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't even play FF and I laughed.

And I rated the OP up to offset some of the twitchy downrate fingers that won't read all the way through. :)
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Wow you had me trolled for a min there nice work sir :)
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Got through #3, then scrolled down to comment on you being in the wrong forum, then saw the end of the post. Well done, sir.
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That was awesome.

I almost downrated it at about 2, but then i actually saw the bottom part.
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Dam it!!!!! you got me.
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I made you a scholar

Yep, that list is a pretty solid indication of ... wearing blinders

It's a real shame too, I really wanted that game to be good
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lol, the second I read "Square-enix" in #1 I knew it was about either FFXI or FFXIV, and I could tell from the tone of the post that it wasn't about FFXI. Good job though, very well thought out Smiley: lol
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ty all :D
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lol, the second I read "Square-enix" in #1 I knew it was about either FFXI or FFXIV, and I could tell from the tone of the post that it wasn't about FFXI. Good job though, very well thought out Smiley: lol


Honestly, I thought he was just making a comparison to the Rift one since, you know, we actually have the "play" screen after the login screen (one thing that is kind of annoying for me) :P.
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Excellent points, and I did the same thing as everyone else...like "WTF??". I played XIV for a few months before giving up, even after Yoshi took the helm. I'm sure you know that you could have at least doubled the number of complaints, but it would have been overkill. :-)

Sadly, I don't believe, at this juncture, XIV can be saved enough to be what it should have been. It's even looking slim that it will become a niche game. I think around the year mark they'll just scrap it for good...and we're almost there. It's still got two years to turnaround, unless SE has some major something to pull out of their collective butts.
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Is XIV dead yet? Or are fanbois still defending it?


It seems that most of the people who still play it have given up trying to defend it. They know it's bad, they know it can't survive as it is, and they're just playing a really bad game hoping it gets better.

I gave up on it after a few months. I think I stopped playing midway through December. Up to that point, I think my highest rank combat class was 22 or 23 and I had a 40-something armorer. I just couldn't deal with the grind anymore. Too many backwards design decisions. Too many restrictions. Too much RNG in situations that didn't add to depth or interest. I did enjoy the stories...what I saw of them...but then a realized that if I really wanted to see the cutscenes, I could spare myself hours of toxic boredom and just youtube them.

Scott Hartsman and team did a fantastic job of building trust with their community. Not everything with Rift has been (or is, or ever will be) perfect, but the game was as promised: polished at launch. And with every hiccup, they've gone above and beyond to make things right with their players. That's something Tanaka had a reputation for being not only seemingly incapable of, but indifferent to the benefits of doing. When he was typing up angry tweets blasting western media for voicing concerns about some of the boneheaded decisions they were making, he should have been sitting back and thinking, "Maybe we should pay attention to what they're saying."
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Scott Hartsman and team did a fantastic job of building trust with their community. Not everything with Rift has been (or is, or ever will be) perfect, but the game was as promised: polished at launch. And with every hiccup, they've gone above and beyond to make things right with their players. That's something Tanaka had a reputation for being not only seemingly incapable of, but indifferent to the benefits of doing. When he was typing up angry tweets blasting western media for voicing concerns about some of the boneheaded decisions they were making, he should have been sitting back and thinking, "Maybe we should pay attention to what they're saying."


Honestly, I think Rift is at a tipping point with a lot of players feeling jaded or abandoned.

While the gameplay side of launch was great, the technical aspects of the launch got botched pretty bad. The server cap issue forced a lot of people to switch servers multiple times. Personally, I am on my fourth server due to excessive queue times or poor/dead communities, and I'm looking at another dead server. Even though the "load" of the servers are pretty consistent across all servers, their is a very obvious population/faction imbalance across many servers. In a lot of cases, people are leaving because of these issues, or only sticking around because the subscription has already been paid for.

Personally, I am stuck on a dead server, at least on the Defiant side. If the river of souls event was any indication of the faction imbalance, Threesprings is running roughly a 15:1 ratio in favor of Guardians. Defiant side is deserted at night. Unfortunately the extremely low population is causing a lot of problems that generally wouldn't be noticed to stick out like a sore thumb. I play from 10 P.M. to 3 A.M. server and on an average night the only thing I see in chat is gold spam. Their might be someone asking a question in 1-9, but that's rare. On many occasions I have played a good 3+ hours without seeing another PC. This pretty much makes rifts pointless since I won't be able to hit the bonus stage and I have seen a grand total of 2 level appropriate invasions since I started this toon. While I could reroll, I simply can't bring myself to run through the same exact zones on the same exact leveling path yet again.

Also, rifts aren't dynamic. They have static spawn points with static encounters. While a single spawn point may have a few different rifts it may be able to spawn, I can usually tell you which rifts are going to be up in which spots before I even log in. And if I run into one more minor rift with an elite boss, I'm going to flip.

While I can't speak for the other classes, Rogues have been butchered to the point that I am being forced into leveling with a spec that I hate, simply because it doesn't require me to stop and drink after every pull.

And the bugs, oh the bugs. I think this is my biggest issue. It's a new game, I know that and I expect their to be bugs. But when you launch a game with a level of polish that no other launch has even come close to, you better make sure the rest of the game is on par as well. Seeing such a clean starting area and first few levels, it feels like they focused on only those portions knowing that by the time everyone ran into the problems, the game would have already been purchased and subscriptions already paid for. Their is no excuse for my Rogue STILL falling through the world.

While PvP could be fun, I wouldn't know. Queue times are in excess of an hour. I have yet to be in a match that was bigger than 5v5, and each match becomes a race against the "insufficient players" clock as soon as 1 person drops.

The game did and still does have a lot of potential, but if they don't fix the server population issues, their numbers are going to fall to a point where the game isn't sustainable. They're playing too many games with the server load caps, which became blatantly obvious with Phase 2 of the event. I had several guildies tell me nearly every server was full. So everyone who canceled came back just for the event or so many people subscribed just for the event that server populations were back to the point they were at launch? I don't think so.
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Honestly, I think Rift is at a tipping point with a lot of players feeling jaded or abandoned.

While the gameplay side of launch was great, the technical aspects of the launch got botched pretty bad. The server cap issue forced a lot of people to switch servers multiple times. Personally, I am on my fourth server due to excessive queue times or poor/dead communities, and I'm looking at another dead server. Even though the "load" of the servers are pretty consistent across all servers, their is a very obvious population/faction imbalance across many servers. In a lot of cases, people are leaving because of these issues, or only sticking around because the subscription has already been paid for.

Personally, I am stuck on a dead server, at least on the Defiant side. If the river of souls event was any indication of the faction imbalance, Threesprings is running roughly a 15:1 ratio in favor of Guardians. Defiant side is deserted at night. Unfortunately the extremely low population is causing a lot of problems that generally wouldn't be noticed to stick out like a sore thumb. I play from 10 P.M. to 3 A.M. server and on an average night the only thing I see in chat is gold spam. Their might be someone asking a question in 1-9, but that's rare. On many occasions I have played a good 3+ hours without seeing another PC. This pretty much makes rifts pointless since I won't be able to hit the bonus stage and I have seen a grand total of 2 level appropriate invasions since I started this toon. While I could reroll, I simply can't bring myself to run through the same exact zones on the same exact leveling path yet again.

Also, rifts aren't dynamic. They have static spawn points with static encounters. While a single spawn point may have a few different rifts it may be able to spawn, I can usually tell you which rifts are going to be up in which spots before I even log in. And if I run into one more minor rift with an elite boss, I'm going to flip.

While I can't speak for the other classes, Rogues have been butchered to the point that I am being forced into leveling with a spec that I hate, simply because it doesn't require me to stop and drink after every pull.

And the bugs, oh the bugs. I think this is my biggest issue. It's a new game, I know that and I expect their to be bugs. But when you launch a game with a level of polish that no other launch has even come close to, you better make sure the rest of the game is on par as well. Seeing such a clean starting area and first few levels, it feels like they focused on only those portions knowing that by the time everyone ran into the problems, the game would have already been purchased and subscriptions already paid for. Their is no excuse for my Rogue STILL falling through the world.

While PvP could be fun, I wouldn't know. Queue times are in excess of an hour. I have yet to be in a match that was bigger than 5v5, and each match becomes a race against the "insufficient players" clock as soon as 1 person drops.

The game did and still does have a lot of potential, but if they don't fix the server population issues, their numbers are going to fall to a point where the game isn't sustainable. They're playing too many games with the server load caps, which became blatantly obvious with Phase 2 of the event. I had several guildies tell me nearly every server was full. So everyone who canceled came back just for the event or so many people subscribed just for the event that server populations were back to the point they were at launch? I don't think so.


They aren't changing server load caps. I don't know how that rumor got started, but part of what they determined didn't work with the world event was that the final phase of the event took place at a specific time on a specific day for a relatively short duration which meant people who might normally not have logged on at that time were logging on. It meant people burnt out after the initial post-launch dash to glory had incentive to log on. I've got two 50s on my original shard. I've run every T1 dungeon more times than I care to count (including one time through RotF, which was more than enough). And then I hit a wall in T2 dungeons where my gear was fine, my build was fine, threat was fine, I was responding to mechanics appropriately, but my healer(s) and/or dps weren't up to the task. Four hours for an expert Runic Descent was about all I could take. I haven't run a dungeon since.

You know what drives me up the wall? When I get feared through the world by a champion in a warfront. ****** me right off. Bad enough I get tagged by one of the more obnoxious CC abilities but it basically takes me out of the match. (Last time it happened was in Port Scion and I didn't actually go through the world, just through the floor to the sub-floor where I could see all kinds of things but couldn't attack anything and I had to wait for a roving patrol of Guardian NPCs to come along and thwack me to get back in the game.) But it happens. And things like that aren't necessarily easy to fix.

Server populations are server populations. Some people decided the game wasn't for them. Some are burnt out. Some just play at different hours. The game was barely a week old and people were screaming for server merges. The thing is, Trion is working towards growing the population with trial weekends and such. No point merging servers now. It's too early. I remember when WoW first launched and I was still playing FFXI. And so many of us were all, "lolol look at that such a cartoony horrible looking game omg it's so terrible who would ever play that ahahaha they have server queues they're so bad they can't even get people onto their game lololol..."

And now look at WoW. 6 years later and Blizzard has still got rolls of freshly minted $100 bills instead of toilet paper.

I'm leveling my second rogue now. Not really thrilled about the process but at least this one is Guardian side so I get to see the world past Droughtlands from a different angle. And if the rogue buffs coming with 1.2 do what we want them to do, maybe I'll go back to my Defiant rogue. Who knows? I didn't really play Warhammer but a lot of people on the forums did and they remember Gersch from that game, and they don't think too highly of him. The word on the street is that for as long as he's making the final decisions on class balance, your best shot at glory is to roll a mage or a cleric. If it's true, I'd guess he spent one too many evenings getting thumped on his mage by melee classes in previous MMOs and now he has a chance to throw down a little payback. Either way, rogues are getting some love and it may or may not be what we need.

For a game that has been live for a little over two months now (counting headstart), nobody in the industry has put forward a more refined product at this stage in the game's lifespan. As MMO gamers, many of whom have played 3, 4, 5+ MMOs, sometimes we forget that the game we just left has usually had a lot more time to iron out the wrinkles than one that has just launched. And in the case of XIV, they had five years and they're just now learning that they had wrinkles to iron out.
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I still stop by the XIV boards here from time to time just to see what is happening over there.


I MISS YOU

but I don't miss XIV

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I still stop by the XIV boards here from time to time just to see what is happening over there.


I MISS YOU

but I don't miss XIV


Nobody over there misses me. If you haven't done so already, try out Rift. If you need free trial access send me a PM and I'll track down the access goods for you. It might not be the game for you, but who knows? You might dig it.
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I posted my suggestions on the Square Enix forums. But, i mean, what can you really say to these people?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/8088-17-Suggestions-from-an-MMO-vet/page3
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you sir....are...a.....winner!

well played.
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I posted my suggestions on the Square Enix forums. But, i mean, what can you really say to these people?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/8088-17-Suggestions-from-an-MMO-vet/page3


The thread was pretty engaging and raised some good points. But at about the middle of page two you kinda exploded on that VydarrTyr guy. From there it just went down hill.
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garethrogue wrote:
I posted my suggestions on the Square Enix forums. But, i mean, what can you really say to these people?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/8088-17-Suggestions-from-an-MMO-vet/page3


The thread was pretty engaging and raised some good points. But at about the middle of page two you kinda exploded on that VydarrTyr guy. From there it just went down hill.



well ya. I'm tired of idiot fanboys defending their garbage pile despite the fact that they must know in their hearts that I'm right. They just can't admit that 14 is bad. I don't have to tolerate their foolish defense of their bad game, so the truth should always be told.


I gave that forum a list of things they need to do TODAY if they want there to be a tomorrow.
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Well they were agreeing with you on most of your points, and while I haven't played FFXIV I have played FFXI (but has since retired for about 4-5 years). I don't think they were trying to defend FFXIV, but were rather just confused on how you were making your case. Honestly it was just a simple misunderstanding on both parties' fault.
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To be honest, every point you made has already been pointed out hundreds...probably thousands of times in every FF forum imaginable. From the days of the alpha/beta official forums to every website who jumped all over the game after it was prematurely released. I think most FF fans know it, they agree with you, but are now just really **** tired of the whole debacle. I think most ppl are just tired of all the finger pointing. SE is working on it. Let's give them space for the time being because it's not like anybody is paying for it.
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#32 May 03 2011 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good
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Here's what got me upset. They've had 8 years to plan this game and watch how the MMO genre has evolved. These are supposedly intelligent people, making big money and important decisions. Yet at almost every single step of this game they failed so spectacularly that you'd only be able to assume that they were either trying to put the company out of business, or did it to troll the fans, or have never played an MMO besides FFXI.

To make matters worse then you've got people who legitimize the idiots at Square by saying sh*t like "we don't need an AH, or a mail system, or chat channels." That's what really got to me in that thread because it's that crowd that square tried to appeal to with FFXIV, but it's also that crowd that is the reason the game failed so badly. That mentality that "we don't need this laundry list of things that every other MMO has by default" appeals to such a small audience, so it would be counter intuitive to good business sense and competent game development to try to appeal to that small audience, when you're a big company like square that always attracts a large audience for it's content. They successfully alienated 90% of all the players who will try that game. If they had mounts, and all that other stuff on the list, FFXIV would have been a smash hit, or at least a respectable successor to FFXI. I really just don't understand how you can receive money for doing a job and yet do it so **** badly.

It's not like I'm even looking for FFXIV to be a clone of the others. The stuff I'm asking for is basic, and mostly addresses the fact that so many if not EVERY thing in the game forces you through such a convoluted process.

Didn't anyone from the company play test this thing? Has anyone from the company ever played an MMO besides FFXI and FFXIV? I don't see how it's even possible.

The things I'm talking about they could implement today if they wanted to. Get rid of some of these redundant screens. Add a macro tutorial. Move the macro config to the main menu instead of deep with in the bowels of the game config tab.


I'll finish by saying this. a vast majority of the things that are wrong or aggravating about the game, they'll never acknowledge as a flaw much less fix them. That's how Square has always been about their MMOs. Let's just be honest about that much.


Edited, May 4th 2011 1:10am by garethrogue
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#33 May 04 2011 at 12:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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garethrogue wrote:
Here's what got me upset. They've had 8 years to plan this game and watch how the MMO genre has evolved. These are supposedly intelligent people, making big money and important decisions. Yet at almost every single step of this game they failed so spectacularly that you'd only be able to assume that they were either trying to put the company out of business, or did it to troll the fans, or have never played an MMO besides FFXI.


The game failed because of Tanaka's arrogance as a developer. There was a post several months ago from someone who had a friend that worked in game development in Japan and he pointed out that Japanese game developers as a whole are often inclined to make whatever they want and then try to convince their players that it's good. That's a big part of the reason why the Japanese gaming scene is viewed as "quirky" in the rest of the gaming world. Tanaka embodies that sentiment. Komoto commented shortly before Tanaka resigned that they had gone out of their way to make XIV as different from XI as they could. They learned the hard way that different isn't always better and that if you want to be successful, you make it your business to give people what they want.

That's why I'm not too concerned with the trolls who love to point out the similarities between Rift and this game or that game. If it works, use it. If people like it, give it to them.
#34 May 04 2011 at 6:37 AM Rating: Default
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To be honest, every point you made has already been pointed out hundreds...probably thousands of times in every FF forum imaginable. From the days of the alpha/beta official forums to every website who jumped all over the game after it was prematurely released. I think most FF fans know it, they agree with you, but are now just really **** tired of the whole debacle. I think most ppl are just tired of all the finger pointing. SE is working on it. Let's give them space for the time being because it's not like anybody is paying for it.


This is exactly right to be honest. I'm one of the people who's sticking with XIV, not because I think it's a SUPER L33T game - it's not, but it's improving, and SE are doing more and more to improve it as time passes. I really don't know if it will fully recover or not (I'm carefully optimistic that XIV will mostly recover come its PS3 release, when they've hopefully got everything sorted out, more content, and they try one last time to get people back), but like Vorkosigan said, let's just see what happens instead of shouting at people about how terrible it is.

Edited, May 4th 2011 8:38am by ShinriS
#35 May 04 2011 at 7:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Aurelius wrote:
There was a post several months ago from someone who had a friend that worked in game development in Japan and he pointed out that Japanese game developers as a whole are often inclined to make whatever they want and then try to convince their players that it's good.



this is so true
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#36 May 04 2011 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
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ShinriS wrote:
Vorkosigan wrote:
To be honest, every point you made has already been pointed out hundreds...probably thousands of times in every FF forum imaginable. From the days of the alpha/beta official forums to every website who jumped all over the game after it was prematurely released. I think most FF fans know it, they agree with you, but are now just really **** tired of the whole debacle. I think most ppl are just tired of all the finger pointing. SE is working on it. Let's give them space for the time being because it's not like anybody is paying for it.


This is exactly right to be honest. I'm one of the people who's sticking with XIV, not because I think it's a SUPER L33T game - it's not, but it's improving, and SE are doing more and more to improve it as time passes. I really don't know if it will fully recover or not (I'm carefully optimistic that XIV will mostly recover come its PS3 release, when they've hopefully got everything sorted out, more content, and they try one last time to get people back), but like Vorkosigan said, let's just see what happens instead of shouting at people about how terrible it is.

Edited, May 4th 2011 8:38am by ShinriS



sorry, I can't allow people to have any opinion about basic things like an AH, mail system, and chat channels that are other then my own. :)
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#37 May 04 2011 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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garethrogue wrote:
ShinriS wrote:
Vorkosigan wrote:
To be honest, every point you made has already been pointed out hundreds...probably thousands of times in every FF forum imaginable. From the days of the alpha/beta official forums to every website who jumped all over the game after it was prematurely released. I think most FF fans know it, they agree with you, but are now just really **** tired of the whole debacle. I think most ppl are just tired of all the finger pointing. SE is working on it. Let's give them space for the time being because it's not like anybody is paying for it.


This is exactly right to be honest. I'm one of the people who's sticking with XIV, not because I think it's a SUPER L33T game - it's not, but it's improving, and SE are doing more and more to improve it as time passes. I really don't know if it will fully recover or not (I'm carefully optimistic that XIV will mostly recover come its PS3 release, when they've hopefully got everything sorted out, more content, and they try one last time to get people back), but like Vorkosigan said, let's just see what happens instead of shouting at people about how terrible it is.

Edited, May 4th 2011 8:38am by ShinriS



sorry, I can't allow people to have any opinion about basic things like an AH, mail system, and chat channels that are other then my own. :)


But you do realise that quite a few XIV players agree with you on most if not all of your points, right? Like someone said earlier, you're not bringing anything new to the table by demanding these things, you're just rehashing what's already been said a million times. They'll add them when they're not, you know, adressing the more major issues, like lack of content - if we wanted to talk to each other whilst standing around doing nothing we'd go on Facebook or something. While chat channels like trade and LFG would be nice, it'd be good if we actually had a reason to use it first, right? Because at the moment, most people talk in Linkshells - did you get into one of those?
#38 May 04 2011 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Actually I think I remember reading somewhere that Tanaka himself never played anything other than FFXI in all that time.

He was literally living in the past, choosing to ignore the evolution of the MMO genre over nearly a decade in favor of doing whatever he wanted to do regardless of what his audience would like. Frankly, this attitude doesn't seem that uncommon at SE these days. The general conceit of "We'll make whatever and you're going to like it" is outdated and hasn't actually been true for years. The Final Fantasy franchise in particular has been most especially guilty of this, and has been declining in quality steadily since FF7 (8, 9, and 10 all had their good points but the flaws were noticeable and increasing) because Square seems to believe that they can literally do no wrong.

And with FFXIV they've finally come to the realization that they, in fact, CAN do something wrong. Now whether they take this experience and use it to change course is up to them. Personally I think the Final Fantasy series probably needs to end with 14. I realize it's their flagship title, but it's starting to remind me of the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise, and that's most definitely NOT a good thing.
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#39 May 04 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
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ShinriS wrote:
But you do realise that quite a few XIV players agree with you on most if not all of your points, right? Like someone said earlier, you're not bringing anything new to the table by demanding these things, you're just rehashing what's already been said a million times. They'll add them when they're not, you know, adressing the more major issues, like lack of content - if we wanted to talk to each other whilst standing around doing nothing we'd go on Facebook or something. While chat channels like trade and LFG would be nice, it'd be good if we actually had a reason to use it first, right? Because at the moment, most people talk in Linkshells - did you get into one of those?


You have to remember that these are Rift discussion forums and bringing an ongoing debate about the state of XIV here probably isn't ideal. I did it for almost two years while the game was in development and then for a few months after release. I'm over it. Rift is a pretty neat game and the community here is pretty decent. Please keep the XIV defense squad to the XIV boards.
#40 May 04 2011 at 10:05 AM Rating: Default
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ShinriS wrote:
But you do realise that quite a few XIV players agree with you on most if not all of your points, right? Like someone said earlier, you're not bringing anything new to the table by demanding these things, you're just rehashing what's already been said a million times. They'll add them when they're not, you know, adressing the more major issues, like lack of content - if we wanted to talk to each other whilst standing around doing nothing we'd go on Facebook or something. While chat channels like trade and LFG would be nice, it'd be good if we actually had a reason to use it first, right? Because at the moment, most people talk in Linkshells - did you get into one of those?


You have to remember that these are Rift discussion forums and bringing an ongoing debate about the state of XIV here probably isn't ideal. I did it for almost two years while the game was in development and then for a few months after release. I'm over it. Rift is a pretty neat game and the community here is pretty decent. Please keep the XIV defense squad to the XIV boards.


Tell that to the immature OP who thought it'd be a funny idea to go around other MMO communities talking about XIV in the first place. :\
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ShinriS wrote:
Aurelius wrote:
ShinriS wrote:
But you do realise that quite a few XIV players agree with you on most if not all of your points, right? Like someone said earlier, you're not bringing anything new to the table by demanding these things, you're just rehashing what's already been said a million times. They'll add them when they're not, you know, adressing the more major issues, like lack of content - if we wanted to talk to each other whilst standing around doing nothing we'd go on Facebook or something. While chat channels like trade and LFG would be nice, it'd be good if we actually had a reason to use it first, right? Because at the moment, most people talk in Linkshells - did you get into one of those?


You have to remember that these are Rift discussion forums and bringing an ongoing debate about the state of XIV here probably isn't ideal. I did it for almost two years while the game was in development and then for a few months after release. I'm over it. Rift is a pretty neat game and the community here is pretty decent. Please keep the XIV defense squad to the XIV boards.


Tell that to the immature OP who thought it'd be a funny idea to go around other MMO communities talking about XIV in the first place. :\



1) you're a meanie face.

2) I was complementing Trion for producing a superior product, right out of the box, from day 1, while pointing out that a big company like Square-Enix, which has been been doing MMOs since 2003, put out a horrible product which is defended by an ignorant player base who tell us all that "we can't or shouldn't criticize a game this early. The game is too new to criticize."

3) Howard Stern is the king of all media.

4) my mom thinks i'm handsome, and my kitty loves me.

5) bush lied, people died and all that other hipster mantra garbage.
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#42 May 05 2011 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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1) you're a meanie face.

2) I was complementing Trion for producing a superior product, right out of the box, from day 1, while pointing out that a big company like Square-Enix, which has been been doing MMOs since 2003, put out a horrible product which is defended by an ignorant player base who tell us all that "we can't or shouldn't criticize a game this early. The game is too new to criticize."

3) Howard Stern is the king of all media.

4) my mom thinks i'm handsome, and my kitty loves me.

5) bush lied, people died and all that other hipster mantra garbage.


And we're just saying... it's been almost 8 months since FFXIV was released and everything you brought up, while funny at first in the Rift forum, is not new.
So let this thread rest in peace now k?

...and Howard Stern is an ***.
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#43 May 05 2011 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Vorkosigan wrote:
garethrogue wrote:



1) you're a meanie face.

2) I was complementing Trion for producing a superior product, right out of the box, from day 1, while pointing out that a big company like Square-Enix, which has been been doing MMOs since 2003, put out a horrible product which is defended by an ignorant player base who tell us all that "we can't or shouldn't criticize a game this early. The game is too new to criticize."

3) Howard Stern is the king of all media.

4) my mom thinks i'm handsome, and my kitty loves me.

5) bush lied, people died and all that other hipster mantra garbage.


And we're just saying... it's been almost 8 months since FFXIV was released and everything you brought up, while funny at first in the Rift forum, is not new.
So let this thread rest in peace now k?

...and Howard Stern is an ***.



I was done with this thread, you all dragged it out.
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