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Ancient Sourcestone, ZOMG or MehFollow

#1 May 02 2011 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
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So as a few of you have found out, Trion increased the frequency of Major Planar Invasions and therefore access to the infamous purple token Ancient Sourcestone. Now, for me I was ecstatic because I not only got first on shard for the Sourcestone itself but for the Major Essence I purchased. The downside however is most are complaining the essences are underwhelming and in one case worthless, unless you are a healer like myself. Here is a breakdown of what is available to purchase with your new shiny token:



Iron Pine Peak: Tananda Whitecoat in Whitefall, she sells 2 Greater Planar Essences for 1 Ancient Sourcestone and 2000 Planarite that require level 42 to equip.

Vanishing Empyreal Gem - Could be usefull/required for a DPS class later on that doesn't have a threat dump.

Frozen Deep One Tear - Don't waste your Sourcestone on this one, get the version sold in SM as they are the same family and cannot equip both, even though they do something different.


Shimmersand: Lilythe Wetstone in Fortune's Shore, her two Greaters cost 1 Ancient Sourcestone and 2500 Planarite and require level 45 to equip.

Glowing Stone Heart - There are BoE superior Essences that you can usually get off AH for ~75g that have a greater HP value than this one, don't waste the Sourcestone.

Crystalized Fire Elemental - Again may be useful later on when DPS are pushing crazy high threat.


Stillmoor: Lorna Antwar in Broken Vale, her 2 Greaters sell for 1 Ancient Sourcestone and 2500 Planarite and require level 45 to equip.

Crystalized Vampire Blood - Again don't waste the Sourcestone as there are several BoE superior Greaters that heal you for far more and even do more damage to the target.

Crystal Vine - As a healer I'm in love and this is one of if not the only Greater worth spending that shiny new token you just got on.



It is my hope in bringing up this issue that Trion will get more creative in their Greater Essences especially since there are lesser quality, lower level and FAR easier to get Greaters that are better in every way to most of the BoP high cost versions these 3 vendors sell.








Edited, May 3rd 2011 1:37am by delindsay90210
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#2 May 03 2011 at 1:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Inscribed Sourcestones are the top tier planar currency. Anything before them is a step towards the top. The naming of the essences (greater/lesser) is a bit misleading. Greater essences are about procs. But people see "greater" in the name and assume it must lead to awesome. They aren't. They're minor tweaks here and there. A bit of something is better than nothing, but right now I think people are expecting too much from them. The soul-specific greater essences are not only pretty mediocre, they're EXPENSIVE. (50 Inscribed Sourcestones + planarite). The lessers you can get with Inscribed Sourcestones, however, are quite nice.
#3 May 03 2011 at 1:51 AM Rating: Decent
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The point I'm making is that after all this wait for the elusive "purple token" the Essence rewards from them are in a few cases worse than BoE's that drop from soloable Minor rifts. And the Ancient Sourcestone is the highest token that any non-raider has access to. I wasn't saying nor expecting them to be the best in game but they should at least be better than what a single person can get or have access to without having to ever do anything of scale, i.e. major zone invasion. I also stated that the healing essence is great, the rest are meh to complete garbage.
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#4 May 03 2011 at 2:09 AM Rating: Decent
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delindsay90210 wrote:
The point I'm making is that after all this wait for the elusive "purple token" the Essence rewards from them are in a few cases worse than BoE's that drop from soloable Minor rifts. And the Ancient Sourcestone is the highest token that any non-raider has access to. I wasn't saying nor expecting them to be the best in game but they should at least be better than what a single person can get or have access to without having to ever do anything of scale, i.e. major zone invasion. I also stated that the healing essence is great, the rest are meh to complete garbage.


Maybe I wasn't clear. ALL greater essences are "meh" compared to what people are expecting from them. Stop and think about what the Crystal Vine is actually doing. It's 750HP healed over 8 seconds. And last I heard, it's bugged. It's not supposed to be doing as much as it is.

The greaters you're getting with ancient sourceshards are level 45 essences. I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that level 48 greaters from common rifts are better. The drop rate on those essences is not exactly phenomenal. Most people I know get a bunch that nobody wants that they sell to a vendor and then pay way too much for the ones they do want from the AH because they're so rare.

In most cases you're better off putting good lesser essences in the greater slots. The thing with greater essences is that procs are fun, even if they're not all that great. If you like the procs, use greaters. If you're more interested in performance, most of the time you're better off with lessers across the board.

Expert rifts are actually the best source for non-raid greater essences. If you luck out after a zone event and get an Ancient Sourcestone, by all means spend on whatever you want.

You have to remember that we're still on the first tier of content. The essences you're getting with non-raid currency aren't supposed to be phenomenal or there would be no room to make better/more interesting things later on.
#5 May 03 2011 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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Aurelius,

Just thought I'd point out:

One of the comparisons he's referring to is this:

Crystalized Vampire Blood: Chance of draining 70-84 health, so damage 70-84 and heal 70-84. Level 45 EPIC essence.

vs.

Waning Shadesource: Chance of doing 101 Death damage and restore 164 health, so damage 101 and heal 164. Level 42 Rare essence.

That point distribution's a BIT off there...

Delindsay90210: Not sure what you're referring to regarding the Glowing Stone Heart. Could you provide some examples? The AH on my server is crappy so I haven't actually seen anything up that's better than the Glowing Stone Heart.

Also, there's a bug regarding either the Frozen Deep One Tear or Crystal Vine, I can't remember which one. Basically one of them could only be equipped if you got rid of ALL of your existing Greater Essences, regardless of what they were.
#6 May 03 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Also, there's a bug regarding either the Frozen Deep One Tear or Crystal Vine, I can't remember which one. Basically one of them could only be equipped if you got rid of ALL of your existing Greater Essences, regardless of what they were.


That would be the Crystal Vine and it happened to me, I had to destroy both greaters in order to install that one.

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Delindsay90210: Not sure what you're referring to regarding the Glowing Stone Heart. Could you provide some examples? The AH on my server is crappy so I haven't actually seen anything up that's better than the Glowing Stone Heart.


The tank one that has a chance on block to restore 500 health. It's a level 42 superior quality greater iirc. Once I log back in later today I will get it's name cuz I have it on my tank core. And I ahve seen that one for as little as 25g because they are a very common drop on my shard.
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#7 May 03 2011 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Ravashack wrote:
Aurelius,

Just thought I'd point out:

One of the comparisons he's referring to is this:

Crystalized Vampire Blood: Chance of draining 70-84 health, so damage 70-84 and heal 70-84. Level 45 EPIC essence.

vs.

Waning Shadesource: Chance of doing 101 Death damage and restore 164 health, so damage 101 and heal 164. Level 42 Rare essence.

That point distribution's a BIT off there...


Pause and consider proc rate. If one is going off on a regular basis and one is going off kinda maybe a bit here and there, it's possible that the one proccing regularly can afford to do so for less and still end up working out to more. My 50 rogue has a Waning Shadesource. I get Leeching Poison procs at a rate of sometimes 5+ before I get one greater essence proc. I haven't tested the Crystalized Vampire Blood because I don't do enough rift events on my rogue to have nabbed an ancient sourcestones. My guess would be that it procs more often. If not, then that's probably something that should be looked at, but for what little any greater essence does, I don't worry too much about it.

delindsay90210 wrote:
The tank one that has a chance on block to restore 500 health. It's a level 42 superior quality greater iirc. Once I log back in later today I will get it's name cuz I have it on my tank core. And I ahve seen that one for as little as 25g because they are a very common drop on my shard.


I have the greater essence that has a chance to restore 620 health on a block. It doesn't proc that often. And with a block rate of 30-40%, that further reduces chance to proc relative to an item that procs on-hit. An item that procs 3 times to shield for 200 damage each time will result in a greater benefit than an item that procs once for 500 damage healed in the same span of time.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 8:27am by Aurelius
#8 May 03 2011 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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Aurelius wrote:

Pause and consider proc rate. If one is going off on a regular basis and one is going off kinda maybe a bit here and there, it's possible that the one proccing regularly can afford to do so for less and still end up working out to more. My 50 rogue has a Waning Shadesource. I get Leeching Poison procs at a rate of sometimes 5+ before I get one greater essence proc. I haven't tested the Crystalized Vampire Blood because I don't do enough rift events on my rogue to have nabbed an ancient sourcestones. My guess would be that it procs more often. If not, then that's probably something that should be looked at, but for what little any greater essence does, I don't worry too much about it.


Yeah, the thought did occur to me as well, especially after getting the Glowing Stone Heart and see it proc extremely frequently. But most people are going to look at that, look at their Waning Shadesource, and go "Meh" when comparing the two.

Aurelius wrote:

delindsay90210 wrote:
The tank one that has a chance on block to restore 500 health. It's a level 42 superior quality greater iirc. Once I log back in later today I will get it's name cuz I have it on my tank core. And I ahve seen that one for as little as 25g because they are a very common drop on my shard.


I have the greater essence that has a chance to restore 620 health on a block. It doesn't proc that often. And with a block rate of 30-40%, that further reduces chance to proc relative to an item that procs on-hit. An item that procs 3 times to shield for 200 damage each time will result in a greater benefit than an item that procs once for 500 damage healed in the same span of time.

Edited, May 3rd 2011 8:27am by Aurelius


I actually used the 375 Health version because that was the highest level one I actually found available, and I used it for ~15 levels. Like Aurelius said, it just doesn't proc a lot. Glowing Stone Heart on the other hand procs so frequently that it would not surprise me if there's a forced cooldown to keep it from being up all the time. I'm actually tempted to play with the Frozen Deep One Tear because if it procs as much as Glowing Heart and off of Salvation/Reparation, it's going to be really nice.

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Edited, May 3rd 2011 12:36pm by Ravashack
#9 May 03 2011 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Delindsay90210: Not sure what you're referring to regarding the Glowing Stone Heart. Could you provide some examples? The AH on my server is crappy so I haven't actually seen anything up that's better than the Glowing Stone Heart.


Corrupting Faesource.


Edited, May 3rd 2011 3:03pm by delindsay90210
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