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#1 May 02 2011 at 11:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've played a lot of mmorpgs---a LOT of mmorpgs--and surprisingly Rift is the first I ever bothered to hit max level in. Not only have I reached level 50, but I've even progressed through all the expert instances and joined a raiding guild. Tonight we just went from 3/5 GSB to downing both Hylas (one shot) and then painfully downing Galenir. It was my third time raiding ever, and I felt like I contributed a lot playing my new senticar spec. Not only that, but I got one of the new drops off Galenir, breaking 1k sp and 399 sc.

It was a long night, but I feel good about it. So this is just me patting myself on the back; I promise not to do it too often.
#2 May 03 2011 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Well done, sir. Well done. Though with the way Rift is tuned, if you never hit max level I'd have to poke fun at you because it meant you spent too long running around on hills and staring at dancing High Elves/Kelari. (Not a bad thing, mind you. Just sayin'.)

I have two 50s now. I had my first attempt at Duke in GB with a guild that was two steps beyond hardcore and then I got mired down in T2s and said to **** with it. So I focused on my rogue for PvP, got that character to level 50 and prestige rank 2 (2/3 of the way to rank 3) and said to **** with it because I was tired of losing 70%+ of the warfronts I enter. My new Guardian rogue hit 29 today and I ended the night with a 500-4 win in Black Garden. It was delicious.

The irony here, is that I went into Rift thinking I'd focus on the PvE with occasional thought given to the PvP side of things in warfronts. I still won't roll on a PvP server, but I surprised myself in terms of how much time I've spent in warfronts compared to dungeons and raids.

Grats on your successes!
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That's usually wha thappens to me in mmorpgs. I stat playing and then somewhere along the way I stop leveling and entirely focus on pvp. Ballista in FFXI may have been terrible, but I also found it hilarious at the time ()especially horde lullabying an entire team). WSG, before they change the level brackets, was just too fun as a level 30 druid in the 21-30 bracket.

I guess my lack of interest in Rift pvp is because I find it hard to do anything on my cleric but either damage people or heal people. I like playing more interesting roles like flag runner, disabler, or support.
#4 May 03 2011 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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Go in as a cleric tank to flag run. God knows they're quite possibly the most annoying thing when they're past rank 4.
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#5 May 03 2011 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Allegory wrote:
I promise not to do it too often.


I think you should do it more often. Accomplishment threads are always fun. :) And grats!

I have no level 50's. Or even level 27's. But I haven't played for a week because someone told me to read The Hunger Games and then obviously that will be the only thing you do until you finish all three. My poor family has been reduced to digging in the yard for grubs for their meals.
#6 May 03 2011 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
My Rift guild just kind of burned out 2 bosses into GSB. Bunch of server firsts for T2 and whatnot but one week people just stopped logging on. I'm now one of them and am having fun on my gobby mage in WoW.

I might come back after the patch or the next time I am bored with WoW. It should be nice having two very good MMOs to bounce back and forth in when I need a break from the other. I used to do that with Lotro some as well.

Anywho that's great Allegory! Big grats man, the raiding in this Rift is pretty good have fun in there.


Edited, May 3rd 2011 11:01am by Shojindo
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#7 May 03 2011 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Allegory wrote:
That's usually wha thappens to me in mmorpgs. I stat playing and then somewhere along the way I stop leveling and entirely focus on pvp. Ballista in FFXI may have been terrible, but I also found it hilarious at the time ()especially horde lullabying an entire team). WSG, before they change the level brackets, was just too fun as a level 30 druid in the 21-30 bracket.

I guess my lack of interest in Rift pvp is because I find it hard to do anything on my cleric but either damage people or heal people. I like playing more interesting roles like flag runner, disabler, or support.
<3 Ballista and all it's inanity Smiley: laugh

Clerics are ******* annoying in pvp and make great flag runners though. **** near impossible to kill them once they're geared up, between the constant healing and the solid DPS they can put out. I WISH I could be an awesome flag runner on my rogue, but given that Stealthing and Riftstalker-teleporting both result in auto-dropping the flag, and that it's **** near impossible to get into the enemy base on my full non-squishy build and survive long enough to grab the flag, I've given up on the idea of running flags and just focus on clearing out the area around for someone less squishy to snag it. Smiley: motz

You could probably fashion yourself into a bit of a quasi-support role though, not so much support in the classical sense, but rather support in the team PvP strategic sense, playing distraction/decoy/idiotbait and keeping the attention of a cluster of the opposing team while your sneakysneakers get past them and take advantage of you causing chaos. Lord knows it's nice to have someone who can do this in Whitefall or Codex, Smiley: laugh
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#9 May 03 2011 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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having fun on my gobby mage in WoW.


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#10 May 03 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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#11 May 03 2011 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Yea, it's too bad non-rogue **** had to drop from both of them. :(
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#12 May 03 2011 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Lady Jinte wrote:
I WISH I could be an awesome flag runner on my rogue, but given that Stealthing and Riftstalker-teleporting both result in auto-dropping the flag, and that it's **** near impossible to get into the enemy base on my full non-squishy build and survive long enough to grab the flag, I've given up on the idea of running flags and just focus on clearing out the area around for someone less squishy to snag it.


Riftstalker/Marksman/Infiltrator. Go far enough into MM for Improved On the Double and then nab all the nifty porting goodness from the riftstalker tree. The only port you can't use as a riftstalker holding a stone/fang is Flashback. Your standard ******* of passive and offensive ports still work and between CC breaks from Break Free and Shadow Assault, two on-demand ports for a total distance traveled of 40m on 30s CDs, 5 second sprint + root/snare immunity...

Just no offense. At all. You use Swift Shot and Hasted Shot to keep your movement speed up and Shadow Assault to break CC. Anything else you try to do is sure to be met with shock and mockery by your opponent.
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Master Shojindo wrote:
My Rift guild just kind of burned out 2 bosses into GSB. Bunch of server firsts for T2 and whatnot but one week people just stopped logging on. I'm now one of them and am having fun on my gobby mage in WoW.

I might come back after the patch or the next time I am bored with WoW. It should be nice having two very good MMOs to bounce back and forth in when I need a break from the other. I used to do that with Lotro some as well.

Anywho that's great Allegory! Big grats man, the raiding in this Rift is pretty good have fun in there.


Edited, May 3rd 2011 11:01am by Shojindo


It is a young game and the fact it has not been completely written off like Aion or War after the first few months is a great thing.

You hear that about WoW all the time. I'll look back in a few months to see if this or that is fixed. I think as time goes on the they will keep adding which is just great, eventhough currently I have issues with how balance is handled.
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#15 May 04 2011 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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Grats Allegory. I was following your musings on healing clerics with great interest.

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my new senticar spec.
Did you give up on Warden? Or is this an alternate spec?


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#16 May 04 2011 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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cynyck wrote:
Allegory wrote:
my new senticar spec.
Did you give up on Warden? Or is this an alternate spec?

I still love my Warden, but For both Hylas and Galenir it was better for me to play Senticar. They're good at what they do, and the guild only had one other senticar besides me.

In both Hylas and Galenir there is some heavy aoe damage, particularly Hylas. He has a move called soul fracture that does about 4k damage to the entire raid and then puts an uncleansable dot on them that ticks for maybe about 1k more each tick. He does this every 30 seconds, so you need strong AoE healing to get through this fight.

I did the testing, and Loyalty (justicar's 10 man heal) heals almost exactly the same as Healing Communion with mien of honor (the Sentinel's 10 man heal), but it is instant cast so it not only produces better aoe HPS than Healing Communion (which takes 2 seconds to casT) but is also easier to time so that you bring people up right after the first 4k hit. It also happens to be more mana efficient than healing communion.

The problem with Warden in this fight is that even though Wardens are quite good at aoe healing, they just don't bring what you need. Many of your abilities--cataract, healing flood, ripple, orbs of the tide-- cover 5 mans and not 10 man. Healing showers is too weak and on too long of a cooldown to be useful. Downpour is actually quite good (especially when used with tides), but the 1 min cd means you can only use it every other fracture. I thought about having 2 wardens alternate, but even then you're only each covering 10 raid members.

The other aspect of the fight with Hylas is that aside from the aoe damage, there isn't much healing to be done. Senticar brings the burst aoe healing you need for fractures, but inbetween it can do dps (terrible dps, but better than warden) and contributes a lot to utility by bring two rezzes.
#17 May 05 2011 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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I'd love to see the build you used. Not that I'll be doing the fight anytime soon, my Cleric is still only L40, but I see you put some time and thought into this.


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#18 May 05 2011 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00jre.E0exfozco.EuMooe0kRo

That's the build I'm currently using. I'm still tweaking it.

The focus of the build is in Doctrine of Loyalty to support the raid through burst aoe segments of boss fights. It's a great heal, and I tend to pull second highest hps in our raids behind our chloro (who I will pretty much never beat). Beyond that you bring a lot of utility. You have 2 battle rezzes, which cannot be denied in usefulness. You have aoe cleanse. You have a ton of cooldown moves to help out when someone needs it (reprieve, covenant, touch the light). Between the aoe healing segments I tend to usually do dps (which is quite low- 250 dps raid buffed atm), but I can always help out in healing if the main healers should fail or get sheeped, silenced, die, or anything else. With the justicar mana restoring ability you pretty much have infinite mana with bards and chloros in the raid.

We downed Hylas and Galenir again this week, so it definitely wasn't a fluke, though we struggled considerably with Galenir.

Edited, May 5th 2011 11:47pm by Allegory
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though we struggled considerably with Galenir.


Only until I got there :P.
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#20 May 09 2011 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Since some people expressed interest I thought I'd update with our accomplishments this week. We downed 4/5 GSB again and 1/4 RoS on wednesday and thursday. Today was our progression day and last fight before the reset. We went after Greenscale having never attempted him before, and we got a fairly impressive 22% twice (wiping early in the final ground phase). This accomplishment had a lot to do with people reading and watching videos before the fight.

I again got to try out a fancy new healing spec, and this time I was a 51 purifier assigned to MT heals. I had never even touched purifier before and so I struggled in the first two attempts, but after that I was golden and never let the tank drop before I died. For those of you who don't know, the reason to have a 51 purifier for healing the mai ntank is that Greenscale applies a -75% healing debuff, which doesn't affect shields. Purifiers effectively heal for much more because of this. They also have the cooldowns to help deal with the highly damaging noxious fume.

I found GS to be a fairly enjoyable fight, at least as main healer. There's a bit of movement involved. I get to blow cooldowns and do so with the assistance of other clerics, which adds a lot to the teamwork element. The transition between air and ground, as well as the addition of new types of plants to avoid after each phase, keeps the fight interesting and it really feels like it ramps up in difficulty.

I'm proud of what we did, and it's quite possible that this time next week we'll have GS downed.

Edited, May 18th 2011 12:03am by Allegory
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Not to derail too much, but what did you think of Purifier overall? Would you use it for more than that specific fight? I'm keen to try it at some point because I think absorption healing is the bee's knees (WoW disc priest :)), but it seems like you have to go pretty high in the tree to get to the good stuff, and I'm still puttering around at low levels, where I just keep getting pulled back to Sentinel like that one guy in The Godfather who can't get out.
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As a personal preference, I just like the Warden's style more than any other healer. If it were possible for me to heal all content as a warden, I probably would. The idea of shields is also appealing, but I wished they be a little more creative about the mechanic beyond "you have 6 different ways to proc varying strength shields."

Healing as a 51 point purifier doesn't seem to be all that great. Simply using restorative flame without counting on procs or crits, you won't have amazing hps (though not awful either). But if you're going to bring cooldowns into the mix, I think it's better to hybrid purifier and sentinel. All the crit tools purifier get work so well with serendipity.
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The idea of shields is also appealing, but I wished they be a little more creative about the mechanic beyond "you have 6 different ways to proc varying strength shields."


At least it's better than the 2 we got in WoW. :D Thanks for the info. I've got a low level character who just got high enough for Ward of the Ancestors, so switched to an Inquisitor/Purifier build for rifts and questing. Fab for rifts. Shield 'em and forget 'em while you DoT up the enemies. I can't see how I won't want to go back to Sentinel at higher levels though. Too many goodies there. I've never been good at the HoT healing playstyle, but I will also give Warden a go at some point too.
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A little update on my guild's status.

1/4 RoS
3/4 GP
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5/5 GSB!

We downed Lord Greenscale tonight on our 3rd try. Got him to about 1% on our second, but all our dps were dead.
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It was 5% on the second try, but gotta give credit to the non-dps half of hte raid because they dropped him from 9% to 5% without us.

But yes, on the final attempt only 2 people died and they were brought back up quickly and from that point on it was smooth sailing. It felt like a very polished run for being our first kill. For those that care, the 2h sword relic dropped.
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#26 Jun 14 2011 at 9:29 PM Rating: Good
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Gotta bump this even though Al doesn't play any more. We started our attempts on Alsbeth tonight... and downed her 2 hours later. 9/9 on raid content :D.
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