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#1 May 27 2011 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi, I was reading forums and looking up info on cleric tank builds and here is what I have come up with. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Also, Could anyone tell me if caregiver's blessing procs off of the salvation buff?

my spec
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=10nrG.Mcd.EuRsqeezoo.Vg
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#2 May 27 2011 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
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It's a strong tanking spec, and should get you through most of the game. Another consideration is the following build. Probably not as important while leveling or T2, but later on one of the Cleric tank's main problem is threat generation. This build trades a bit of mitigation for more single target threat.

I'm pretty sure caregiver's does not proc off of salvation, but I have not specifically tested.
#3 May 28 2011 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for your response. I find it interesting that tanks can afford to drop mitigation for more threat generating abilities. I was having a lot of trouble healing tanks in dungeons, so I assumed mitigation was the only way to keep us up. Thanks for your input, I will probably respec when my guild gets some better healers.
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#4 May 28 2011 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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My guild was previously using a Justicar as our main tank for GSB. The only time it become an issue is during the final Fight with Greenscale himself. Once people are raid buffed and rogues are pulling 1000+ DPS, hate was beginning to get peeled from our Justicar. We ended up swapping him out fro a warrior tank.

You are correct though in that mitigation will probably your biggest concern for tanking much of the game.

#5 May 30 2011 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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So... Shield of the Ancestors... does it count as a heal? As in, will it be drastically reduced from Mien of Leadership?
#6 May 31 2011 at 12:55 AM Rating: Decent
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LiSyaoran3063 wrote:
So... Shield of the Ancestors... does it count as a heal? As in, will it be drastically reduced from Mien of Leadership?

I'm fairly certain it doesn't count as a heal, and the same with the shaman's shield, and neither are reduced.
#7 May 31 2011 at 8:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I asked the same question of my guildmates. The consensus answer was no, so I'll agree with Allegory.

One of the polarizing things about playing Justicar is the knowledge that most of your other abilities are going to be self-nerfed by 40% if you run Mien of Leadership...but it's almost silly not to. I'm always conflicted in that regard on how to make a build. Stick to just picking things for passive bonuses and buffs, or actually pursue a couple really good skills like Vex? Sounds like some people go one way and some go another.
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#8 May 31 2011 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
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the shields do not count as heals and are not reduces, and the caregiver's blessing does not proc off of salvation but it does off of the single heal doctrines
#9 May 31 2011 at 5:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Excellent. Thnx for the help guys =)

Edited, May 31st 2011 7:52pm by LiSyaoran3063
#10 May 31 2011 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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disregard this post

Edited, May 31st 2011 7:53pm by LiSyaoran3063
#11 Jun 03 2011 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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I would also like to throw out a spec which goes against the "Norm"
When you think of a Tank you think of the tried and true sword and board.
However, I do not think right now that it is optimum for a cleric pre raid tanking.. I say pre raid because i Have not tried.

shield provides 1-2% at max in total reduction of damage from armour bonus

The Main Benefit of the shield is of course the Block..which is different from parry. As example: Cleric would have a block chance of 35% and would absorb roughly 20% of incoming damage.. with talent mebbe around a 40% chacne to absorb 15-20% damage. You Add in some talents you get a few points of mana back.

The biggest drawback to a cleric shield; there is no spell power on them.

If you would use a 2hand staff to tank... Yes yes stick with me here..

You would have Far superior Parry rating which as I mentioned above is different from block wherein the Parry will deflect any physical attacks.. not a chance to absorb a percentage of attacks.. but deflect 100% of the damage.

Decent gear you can top 1000 spell rating.. with the talent your parry is 195% of that so we are talking roughly 1950 parry rating which is roughly 40% parry chance to totally negate physical attacks.

sure sword and board users will have Some parry.. but no where near that if you used a two hander.

also the ability Doctrine of valiance would become useful as it normally does pathetic damage to heal ration with a one hander as opposed to much better with a two...

Here is the build I am using in Dungeons... http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00nrG.Ved00M.yuMooeczko.Vg0m

Edit* As you can see from the Flame Ward.. you can more than make up for the lack of shield.. you gain more points to spend more wisely i feel than trying to make the sword and board work...
With Commitment you have a (%T) Chance to gain 5% mana back when you block.. where as t is the % of your block.. seems lack luster if you put points farther down the Shaman tree to gain Ageless Ice Whereby picking up a better chance to heal (overwhelming) and when you crit you gain 4% mana back (Endless Winter).. Seems no brainer to me.

Just have to keep a watch on your heals and pop one every so often which shouldn't be hard to include in your rotation.


Edit** You could also drop From the Purifier tree Enflamed Rejuvination and Endless winter from the Shaman tree and waste a point in Justicar from a shield spec to gain Just defense for the 1min Absorb to help with mitigation but so far I have not needed it. here is link for that http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00nrG.Ved.EuMooeskRR.Vg



Edited, Jun 3rd 2011 4:18pm by Zamian
#12 Jun 03 2011 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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Having a "superior" Parry rating is worthless when Parry has a hard cap of 20%. Even with trashy gear, a 50 Justicar already gets to ~18% Parry just off of talents and spell power.
#13 Jun 03 2011 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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So back to the drawing board i guess... But I wont be tanking anything but non raid stuff. **** u Parry cap heh

Edited, Jun 3rd 2011 8:21pm by Zamian
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