Let's adjust this and assume player A isn't an immature idiot.
Guy A> Hey, I'd like to raid with your guild.
Guy B> Sure, but just so you know, we require that all of our raiders use DBM.
Guy A> I have an older system that lags when I use addons. I've never had a problem raiding on this system though and haven't needed DBM in that past. Why is it required?
Guy B> (Care to fill in an answer that isn't a direct assumption of Guy A's skill?)
People have raided in games long before addons and were succesful, which would indicate addons are being used as a crutch in many situations.
And just to be clear, I'm not against addons in any way, I used a crapload of them in WOW. I am against people relying on them to the extent that they can't perform without them.
Edited, Jun 11th 2011 4:42pm by Raolan
"We agreed as officers/raid group leaders/a raid group that everyone would use add-on X, Y, and Z. I'm sorry, we're not making exceptions at this time."
And that decision was made based on what?
Top 5 is irrelevant, the Blizzard add-ons running in the background take up about 40 MB, and DBM with a raid pack loaded only takes 900 KB to 1.1 MB.
I don't know it's exact usage other than it spikes when a module is loaded, it's not a problem I've personally had so I haven't had to monitor exact usage. However I have run with people who don't use addons because of system lag and I think it's ridiculous to shun someone because of it.
If a guild wants to force people to use a specific addon, fine. I guess those people who actually prefer to learn the encounter instead of having an addon bark orders at them just have to suck it up.
There you go again, all up on the high horse. Why the compulsion to label people? There are two primary types of raiding guilds: competitive raiding guilds that will use DBM for that little extra edge, and casual raiding guilds with lax entrance requirements the use DBM to offset some of the badism their members bring to the table. In there somewhere, if you sift and search and transfer around, you'll find a competitive guild filled top to bottom with quality players who won't require DBM. If you search long enough, you'll also find a female night elf dancing in her skivvies on a mailbox that is actually controlled by a smokin' hawt gamer chick who wants to fly to where you live and make your toes curl.
It's not enough that you dislike it, but again...you cross that line where you try to prop up your argument with insinuations that people who use it are somehow less than you. Stop it.
People play for different reasons, some of which play specifically for the challenge. If another player/group is demanding those players use a tool that removes a portion of what those people find fun then I have a problem with it. If that's me sitting on a high horse, than I'll keep my happy *** up here.
My issue isn't with the use of DBM, it's with the blanket policy of requiring people to use it without any evaluation as to whether or not they actually need it. If the person can't seem to move as needed and you want them to use it, fine, but demanding it before that point is reached is ridiculous.
You're starting to get silly. I've never claimed that DBM doesn't offer an advantage. I've said that it doesn't do anything differently than any other addon. It gathers information, reformats it, and displays it in a way that is more useful to many people than what the stock UI offers. Knowledge is power. Get some.
I guess you missed my previous argument.
You're right. Addons like Quartz, Bartender, and Pitbull, which simply move and reskin information yet do no processing, are exactly the same as DBM which parses the combat log and runs timers based on last spell/ability cast and provides that information to the player in a manner that would require you to be completely inept to miss. I must have missed those RUN AWAY, MOVE IN, INTERRUPT NOW, STOP CASTING messages in the combat log. Must have missed the active countdown timer between casts and the casting sequence in the combat log as well.
If DBM simply flashed the screen as a spell is being cast or monitored multiple mobs health bars, I might agree with you. The problem is that it goes way beyond that. If raider A couldn't take the time to find out what s/he needs to do beforehand, they shouldn't have an addon telling them.
Other addons reskin/move/restructure information to fit a players personal preference, DBM goes beyond that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxMg7wBqJLQ
The comment at :22 sums it up nicely.