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#1 Aug 14 2011 at 10:39 AM Rating: Default
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Did you pay for the "Collector's Edition" which includes the in-game goodies?
Yes. Cheating a little is ok.:0 (0.0%)
Yes. $10 for all those items is well worth it.:16 (80.0%)
Yes. I like vanity items, but I don't like that I have an advantage over others.:0 (0.0%)
No. Real life $ has no place in MMOs.:0 (0.0%)
No. I just didn't buy/upgrade it.:4 (20.0%)
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someone on the O-board posted that the likelihood of a Vanity Cash Shop in the game is pretty strong in the near future. this was followed by an onslaught of replies threatening to un-sub should that happen.

i pointed out that the Collector's Edition was the first for-cash product. i also pointed out that aside from the vanity items it also awarded usable items in the form of a free mount(across all toons) and extra bag slots(across all toons). this can add up to an amazing amount of saved Plat and an intangible benefit from the bag slots. in the grand scheme, this adds up to very little, but it is the principle that is being whored out.

thoughts?
#2 Aug 14 2011 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Well, people threaten to un-sub in response to virtually anything, so that response can be safely ignored.

As to the collector's edition value-add items. Games have been putting out collector's editions for over a decade, including MMOs who always give you something for buying them. Since this is a well-established procedure for the release of a new triple-A title, I don't think you can reasonably call it cheating on any level.

As to the "advantage" it provides, it isn't really that significant. The mount is probably the biggest thing, but even so it only saves you a few plat per character and earning enough plat for the basic mount is not difficult or onerous even for a new player. It becomes a convenience more than a real advantage, a reward for buying the CE (which btw, is usually only available for a limited time. Trion has made it available basically indefinitely).

Vanity items purchased for cash have become fairly commmonplace in MMOs over the last 5 years or so. For subscription-based games I only start to have an issue with a cash shop when it provides non-vanity items. For free-to-play games, the cash shop is the entire business model and the sole method by which the company makes money, and is therefore essential to the continued operation of the game. Obviously Rift falls into the first category there, and does not presently have a cash shop outside of the CE upgrade option.

I'm actually surprised you didn't mention the Founder subscription pricing, which would seem to me to be a far greater perk of getting in early than any mount or extra bag space. Saving real money on your subscription has a tangible long-term benefit to the player

Edited, Aug 14th 2011 11:51am by Callinon
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#3 Aug 14 2011 at 10:57 AM Rating: Default
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"People are mob mentality hipsters"; they will rally behind anything that is being offered by a leading group, mostly for the simple fact of opposing it, or because that's what black sheeps do. You wouldn't understand, it's a pretty obscure thought pattern (lolz). Most of them haven't thought past the sentence "You will have to pay to be the best there is to be". They don't understand vanity, they won't abide for something that their petty small jealousy will trigger at a moment's thought.

Which leads me to the next paragraph, "People are generally stupider when together", mob mentality. Don't ask something to a group, because you will have an answer that not really anyone will really want in the end. People will still buy plat. People will still buy plat, then complain of hacking and farmers. People will still oppose company controlled Sellable items, rather than black market plat selling controller by Chinese farmers and hackers that damage their fellow players, where you can then buy ANY items off the AH.

The thought of having some items purchasable from Trion doesn't offend me. In fact, it seems to be that it is a direction towards discouraging plat sellers from selling plats. The point isn't an AH solely handled by Trion, the point is the ability to purchase items. There would be reasonable limits, as a company can't render efforts useless if you influx money into it; in truth there will probably be a weekly limit, or items you can't purchase until you've owned the game and had your account active for X months total. That way, people will still play, would still give effort for their rewards, and should they make an alt that needs starter gear, they have the option to save time to get the starter gear, making the game less stale.

There's so many variables to take into account, but I believe the best way to do this is to take it slow and add tidbits a little at a time, just like the PPP or the IPPE groups for internet and wireless technologies. Committees that are bound to prevent the development of new tech, so that people can psychologically adapt to changes without making a fuss.

People are dumb and make fusses about dumb things, and they lose interest later and stop fussing as they realise the benefits of the changes.
It's the fussing part that is costly to companies. Better to not have that part. Thanks PPP and IPPE! (Rather should be a RISC "Rift Improvement Stabilizing Committee" for rift...)

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#4 Aug 14 2011 at 11:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Archmage Callinon wrote:


I'm actually surprised you didn't mention the Founder subscription pricing, which would seem to me to be a far greater perk of getting in early than any mount or extra bag space. Saving real money on your subscription has a tangible long-term benefit to the player

Edited, Aug 14th 2011 11:51am by Callinon


"long-term benefit to the subscriber". this in no way affects gameplay. besides, i got a lower sub rate but paid the premium to purchase the game (the CE is down to $35 atm).

another nugget:

i would also argue that Refer-a-friend bonuses are also cheating since it requires outside-the-game influences and it affords certain players with benefits that change the games mechanics in ways that others cannot access in-game.
#5 Aug 14 2011 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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You seem to have a somewhat skewed definition of "cheating."

For the sake of conversation, the definition I'm working from is: Cheating is the intentional violation of the game's established rules with the intent of gaining an advantage.

Buying Trion's stuff therefore can't be cheating, the definition doesn't allow for it because Trion's offerings can't possibly be against Trion's rules
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#6 Aug 14 2011 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
You seem to have a somewhat skewed definition of "cheating."

For the sake of conversation, the definition I'm working from is: Cheating is the intentional violation of the game's established rules with the intent of gaining an advantage.

Buying Trion's stuff therefore can't be cheating, the definition doesn't allow for it because Trion's offerings can't possibly be against Trion's rules


agreed. i misused that word.
#7 Aug 14 2011 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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I downloaded the CE the week before the official release. I got early access, the mount, the 24-slot bag, 2 pets, and this thing http://rift.zam.com/en/item/E3B294CD0701010101/Shrouded-Rune which is pretty helpful to you as a lowbie.

The mount and bag were the most useful. Rift-running with a large crowd through areas that are higher level mobs can be detrimental to your health. If you let other people get ahead of you to draw their attn, you can usually get thru safely, and not arriving after the rift is closed.
How can the extras be considered cheating tho? They're useful tools which the developer provided for a few extra dollars.
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#8 Aug 14 2011 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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I bought the digital CE. I wasn't interested in USB dongles or any of the other stuff that came with the boxed CE, but head start access to the game, free lowbie mount, extra bag space...all worth a few extra bucks. I'm not much of a pet collector. I couldn't tell you what pets my characters even have right now.

I could see a vanity cash shop in the future. Then again, Trion could have charged a fee for the character transfer service they added a little while ago similar to what Blizzard did with WoW, but they chose to make it free. Whether or not they cross over into the realm of microtransactions is yet to be seen.

As far as people complaining that they'll cancel their subs? ********* Microtransactions are part of the MMO business model now. People who get up on their high horse and insist that they'll never play an MMO with a vanity cash shop are soon going to find themselves without any MMOs to play.
#9 Aug 15 2011 at 3:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I would not mind a vanity shop, as long as they didn't completely reserve shiny new mounts, pets and whatever vanity stuff for those who pay extra. I don't mind someone else being able to get 100 shinies with their dollars if I can get 10 with my in-game effort.

If it began to seriously affect gameplay, I'd seriously consider leaving the game.
#10 Aug 15 2011 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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I bought the CE. Ten extra bucks for an insta-mount is totally worth it.

Of course I agree that for-cash items can be taken too far and would not like to see that happen. Certainly I don't want to be pulled into some sort of bait-and-switch situation where the price isn't really the price, because to really play you've also got to buy x, y, and z.

But that's clearly not the case here, and I have nothing but an eye roll for the people (not here, but look at the official forums) who like to whine about this issue like not having a vanity mount puts them right up there with other oppressed peoples. This is not a let-them-eat-cake situation. These items are not being held back for the wealthy. If you've got the disposable income to afford a $50 game with a $15/month subscription, on the current world stage, you're already the wealthy. Chances are whether or not to spend an extra $10 on the CE is a matter of choice for you as well.
#11 Aug 16 2011 at 2:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't see how it's cheating either - but I won't further beat that horse since the OP acknowledged his use of the word was incorrect.

I bought the CE, mostly because every game I have been excited about in the last few years was worth buying the CE for. Well... Except one.

The mount was a bonus, the pet was dumb, and the USB drive just ended up as a Win7 installer. Nothing in it was particularly game-breaking.
#12 Aug 16 2011 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah I wouldn't mind a cash shop as long as it remains vanity type stuff. I did the digital CE, and that stuff was pretty nice to have. I do still use the bag, but I've sinced outpaced the mount and the little trinket. The pet was completely useless lol.
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#13 Aug 17 2011 at 6:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Torrence wrote:

I bought the CE, mostly because every game I have been excited about in the last few years was worth buying the CE for. Well... Except one.


Dare I guess?

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#14 Aug 17 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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LebargeX wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't mind a cash shop as long as it remains vanity type stuff. I did the digital CE, and that stuff was pretty nice to have. I do still use the bag, but I've sinced outpaced the mount and the little trinket. The pet was completely useless lol.


I think they changed the CE mount a while back so that it scales up in speed to match your fastest mount. So if you've got a 110% mount your ancient tartagon will also go at 110%.

I'm not a major fan of the tartagon mount; I don't dislike it but I don't exactly drool over it. I just thought it was a nice touch for them to change it so that the people who do really like the look of it (or the 'prestige' that goes with having it) can still get use out of it after they've upgraded.
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LebargeX wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't mind a cash shop as long as it remains vanity type stuff. I did the digital CE, and that stuff was pretty nice to have. I do still use the bag, but I've sinced outpaced the mount and the little trinket. The pet was completely useless lol.


I think they changed the CE mount a while back so that it scales up in speed to match your fastest mount. So if you've got a 110% mount your ancient tartagon will also go at 110%.

I'm not a major fan of the tartagon mount; I don't dislike it but I don't exactly drool over it. I just thought it was a nice touch for them to change it so that the people who do really like the look of it (or the 'prestige' that goes with having it) can still get use out of it after they've upgraded.



Definitely a nice touch, and I do like that they're doing the same with the new quest-obtainable mounts. I got the 90% monkey mount and right now I just like the way it looks much better. Of course, I may get tired of that too, so it will be nice to be able to swap the turtle back in and not lose my travel speed.
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#16 Aug 18 2011 at 6:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aw, I wish they'd do that with the regular horses. They're prettier than the armored ones.
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