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#1 Oct 20 2011 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so Im having an issue with my Warrior

Ok, so this is my build
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0cEmk.EhuqzzRobz.Vv0dqzzh.V0o

Currently I'm only level 25, so this is more like it
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0cEmk.y0zoz.Vtzdszz

But anyway, I'm trying to make a point here, so bare with me.

DE-BUFFS
Intimidating: Yes, they have to hit me first, but if they do, they receive this de-buff.
Weapon Blow and Improved Weapon Blow: Decent short term de-buff.
Battlefield and Cutting Distraction: Decent AoE de-buffs.
Leader's Mark: Reduced Armor.
Spotter's Order: Good de-buff for boss fights.
Untenable Position: I really good short term de-buff
Debilitating Strike: Increased damage received. Good for 15 seconds.

BUFFS
Rally Command: All allies get bonus health and resistances
Aid Command: All allies get bonus healing received
Assault Command: All allies get bonus attack and spell power
Call to Battle: All allies get bonus attack and spell power
Call of Entrench: All allies get damage reduction
Aspect of the Fallen Hero: All allies get bonus endurance
Aspect of the Elements: All allies get bonus elemental resistances
Shared Bonds: Allows the following bonds to effect your allies
Bond of Might: All allies get bonus strength
Bond of Feline Grace: All allies get bonus dexterity
Bond of Alacrity: All allies get bonus out of combat movement speed
Enraged Companion: All allies deal more damage
Improved Protective Instincts: All allies get increased stealth detect and reduced stun duration

So really... truly... WHY CAN'T I QUEUE UP AS SUPPORT!?
I mean isn't this a representation of what support is all about?
I seriously think they should change this... >.>
#2 Oct 20 2011 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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You know where you want to post this right? Right now Warlord is about to undergo a DRAMATIC overhall in 1.6 because many people find the soul useless when it comes to tanking.

I would copy and paste what you just put right onto the Public test forums

http://forums.riftgame.com/public-test-shard/

Support in Rift is classified as a healer that can buff, so bard or chloro can go in as support
#3 Oct 20 2011 at 10:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh ok. Thnx... But isn't Dominator considered a support soul though?
#4 Oct 20 2011 at 10:21 PM Rating: Decent
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LiSyaoran3063 wrote:
Oh ok. Thnx... But isn't Dominator considered a support soul though?


Not sure I am no mage. I know Chloro is like their main support roll. I saw you posted it. That is a good idea because I know Trion is attempting to figure out what they want to do with the Warlord soul.
#5 Oct 21 2011 at 5:24 PM Rating: Good
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Puremallace wrote:
LiSyaoran3063 wrote:
Oh ok. Thnx... But isn't Dominator considered a support soul though?


Not sure I am no mage. I know Chloro is like their main support roll. I saw you posted it. That is a good idea because I know Trion is attempting to figure out what they want to do with the Warlord soul.

Chloro is actually the healing soul. You'll want Archon or Dominator for support.



Edited, Oct 21st 2011 4:25pm by LebargeX
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#6 Oct 21 2011 at 11:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, But Archon nor Dominator heal. So I don't understand why I can't queue as support of this spec. It looks like a support spec to me, lol
#7 Oct 22 2011 at 10:13 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe it's because you're only level 25?
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#8 Oct 22 2011 at 11:11 PM Rating: Decent
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LiSyaoran3063 wrote:
Yeah, But Archon nor Dominator heal. So I don't understand why I can't queue as support of this spec. It looks like a support spec to me, lol


I found it to be a very good thread. Some of the comments you got were mean, but you can post it on the warrior sub forums or **** even send the suggestion to Atrius the warrior dev directly.

They need to do something with the soul and that is a good observation and suggestion. I support it if that means anything
#9 Oct 23 2011 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Yet again I'm disappointed. I build a Cleric build for, the purpose of support.

This is the spec:
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=00jar.E0Vdb.yq0qhzVoz.ehMo

DE-BUFFS + CONTROL
Quietus and Grim Silence: Spell Control
Luminous Gaze: Makes enemy more likely to get crit
Eruption of Life: Additional damage on melee attacks (only 3, so fairly minor)
Slumber: CC
Trickster Spirit: Attack power and spell power debuff

BUFFS + HEALING
Healing Communion: AoE Heal
Touch of Light + Healing Communion (Macro): Instant AoE Heal
Cleansing Prayer and Hidden Path: Cleanser
Noble Blessing: AoE endurance buff
Protect the Flock: Armor buff
Natural Dedication: AoE damage buff
Righteous Mandate + Salvation: "On the side" heals
Doctrine of Loyalty: Instant cast AoE heal
Reparation: "On the side" AoE heals
Fury of the Fae: Attack power and spell power buff from the Satyr pet
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Faerie Favor and Faerie Healing: Small heals from the Faerie pet\

... Yet again, I still can't queue as Support....
#10 Oct 23 2011 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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You're expecting too much from the system.

The system recognizes specific souls as support souls because, on their own, they bring enough to a 5-man group to warrant a spot as support. For example: warlord, while it brings some nifty buffs, does not justify a spot in a 5-man group on the merit of those buffs alone. Warlord does not do good damage, and warlord cannot heal. Therefore warlord is not classified as a support soul. One could argue rightly or wrongly that warlord might be a viable raid support soul, because you're distributing those buffs to more people.

The system doesn't pick apart your builds to try and determine whether or not you've got enough combined abilities to warrant classification as support. It just checks to see if you've got enough points invested into a recognized support soul to fill the role of support. It's not necessary to sit down and list for yourself all the different abilities you've chosen that you think warrant labeling yourself as support for the dungeon finder queue. You're adequately invested in a recognized support soul or you're not.
#11 Oct 24 2011 at 1:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Aurelius wrote:
The system recognizes specific souls as support souls because, on their own, they bring enough to a 5-man group to warrant a spot as support. For example: warlord, while it brings some nifty buffs, does not justify a spot in a 5-man group on the merit of those buffs alone.
The system doesn't pick apart your builds to try and determine whether or not you've got enough combined abilities to warrant classification as support.


if it recognizes certain souls as "support" then what happened to clerics. i made an inquisitor/justicar build for my alt for questing while i was still learning to play the class. right there thats 2 souls, one offensive one defensive, not one specific "support soul. i go to que for a dungeon at about(bout a month ago so little fuzzy on the lvl) lvl 26, and suddenly both TANK and SUPPORT light up as selectable. at lvl 31 now, tank is gone but support is still available.

on another note, warlord from what i understand is being completely redone since(from what i hear from quite a few ppl on my server) it serves pretty much no purpose whatsoever endgame

Edited, Oct 24th 2011 3:57am by joshiki
#12 Oct 24 2011 at 7:35 AM Rating: Decent
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joshiki wrote:
if it recognizes certain souls as "support" then what happened to clerics. i made an inquisitor/justicar build for my alt for questing while i was still learning to play the class. right there thats 2 souls, one offensive one defensive, not one specific "support soul. i go to que for a dungeon at about(bout a month ago so little fuzzy on the lvl) lvl 26, and suddenly both TANK and SUPPORT light up as selectable. at lvl 31 now, tank is gone but support is still available.

This is exactly what I'm saying. I can't begin to find a justifiable reason why I can't queue for support and these Clerics with little support capabilities can....
#13 Oct 24 2011 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
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Any healing soul can classify itself as support if it really wants to, therefore any cleric healing soul can go ahead and call itself support (I think Justicar can too).

The official support souls are: Archon, Dominator, and Bard.

Those are the only souls that are classified strictly as support because they don't bring enough healing or damage to classify them in one of those two categories, but still bring some useful stuff to the table. You could make an argument for Warlord, but it'd be pretty flimsy. Right now Warlord is officially a tanking soul, but in reality it edges closer to the "useless" category.

They should be fixing it.
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#14 Oct 24 2011 at 12:50 PM Rating: Decent
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This is the thread you want LiS.

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/classes-telara/warrior-discussion/271247-feedback-ongoing-tank-mitigation-balance-1-6-a-13.html

There is a warrior dev up and down there and they are looking for idea. One of the more experienced warriors even said this.

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Warlord! Support! Support! Warlord!

Go look in the beta forums at the little chart you guys posted of the roles. See Warlord listed as "support"? Now compare Spotter's Order to the clones of it that Bard and Archon got. Note how that's an ability for Support souls?

Make No Permission to Die an ally buff. Remove threat boosts. Make Warlord the "support that can soak a few hits" build, to give it a distinct support role from archon and bard, but generally buff the support functionality. Let Warriors queue as support.

Everyone would love this. I've never HEARD of anyone who takes warlord as a primary soul for tanking, it's just a mix-in soul. Support souls make great mix-ins.
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Edited, Oct 24th 2011 2:50pm by Puremallace
#15 Oct 24 2011 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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joshiki wrote:
Aurelius wrote:
The system recognizes specific souls as support souls because, on their own, they bring enough to a 5-man group to warrant a spot as support. For example: warlord, while it brings some nifty buffs, does not justify a spot in a 5-man group on the merit of those buffs alone.
The system doesn't pick apart your builds to try and determine whether or not you've got enough combined abilities to warrant classification as support.


if it recognizes certain souls as "support" then what happened to clerics. i made an inquisitor/justicar build for my alt for questing while i was still learning to play the class. right there thats 2 souls, one offensive one defensive, not one specific "support soul. i go to que for a dungeon at about(bout a month ago so little fuzzy on the lvl) lvl 26, and suddenly both TANK and SUPPORT light up as selectable. at lvl 31 now, tank is gone but support is still available.

on another note, warlord from what i understand is being completely redone since(from what i hear from quite a few ppl on my server) it serves pretty much no purpose whatsoever endgame


Justicar can be queued as support because it brings moderate damage depending on what you pair it with and potentially significant healing. My cleric does warfronts as a shaman/justicar/warden (aka taugrim's M*A*S*H build) and it's very common for me to top charts for both overall healing and damage.
#16 Oct 27 2011 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Puremallace wrote:
This is the thread you want LiS.

http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-general-discussions/classes-telara/warrior-discussion/271247-feedback-ongoing-tank-mitigation-balance-1-6-a-13.html

There is a warrior dev up and down there and they are looking for idea. One of the more experienced warriors even said this.
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Warlord! Support! Support! Warlord!

Go look in the beta forums at the little chart you guys posted of the roles. See Warlord listed as "support"? Now compare Spotter's Order to the clones of it that Bard and Archon got. Note how that's an ability for Support souls?

Make No Permission to Die an ally buff. Remove threat boosts. Make Warlord the "support that can soak a few hits" build, to give it a distinct support role from archon and bard, but generally buff the support functionality. Let Warriors queue as support.

Everyone would love this. I've never HEARD of anyone who takes warlord as a primary soul for tanking, it's just a mix-in soul. Support souls make great mix-ins.
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Edited, Oct 24th 2011 2:50pm by Puremallace


Thank you!!!! I couldn't agree with this guy any more. He is exactly right!!!
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